Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why? Well there's the selfish reason of I like missiles, first of all.

Another selfish reason. I trained an alt up before my break to fly Sansha. When you guys removed their missiles it felt like a big downer to lose those weapons. I understand they're easier to train for now with no real damage loss, but it still felt like a let down.

A Lore reason is they're kind of known for their missiles. They even have powerful faction missile launchers.. and yet no ships which can still mount them.

For play reasons, Sansha ships are sort of one trick ponies right now offensively. The fact that defensively they have a strong Amarr/Caldari feel mix only intensifies this. Yes I understand that drones help mitigate this, but if they ever release pirate drones, the likely damage type sansha'll have based on the Shadow means that a Sansha themed ship will still be restricted.



My suggestion:

Provide 1 missile bay option for Succubus and Phantasm, and 2 for Nightmare. Don't give them any bonuses to these weapons. Just allow them as supplemental, so if we want, we can add something else to the high slots besides the tired energy draining gear which we see a lot on them. Gear which is more in the domain of the Blood Raiders, and yet feels almost required sometimes because there's no reason to fit anything else right now.

This will make Sansha ships more adaptable, able to increase their Anti-Shield DPS, or give them a little bit of extra punch once they get in to armor, to make them a bit more threatening against both shields and armor.

I don't think the extra weapons will make them too OP, as long as they get no bonuses to their missiles, keeping them as unrequired side weapons, especially for the Nightmare which actually has reason to field other gear besides just energy draining toys. No increase to CPU or Powergrid should also help keep it from becoming OP. If they are OP because of this, then I'd suggest a very slight reduction to missile fire and/or reload time to tone down the extra damage.



I know this is kind of a silly suggestion and maybe I'm just being nostalgic but.. I just really miss seeing both lasers and missiles on Sansha ships, and considering its price tag, while it is lower than I remember it being, it's never been particularly justifiable in bringing in to PvP. Maybe this would help change that. At 100mil more than the Mach currently I have zero incentive to run a nightmare outside of missions. I've even seriously considered retraining the alt to run Angel Cartel. Sansha deserves better. It deserves its missiles back.

Are there currently 2 Missile based pirate factions (One primary/one secondary). How many Laser based pirate factions are there? Leave Lasers alone, you have plenty of missiles already.

I explained why, admitted to the selfish parts, pointed to lore (which, I get it, you don't care about lore and immersion, but I do.), and to reasons for how it would help make the ship all around better.

It needs a buff. I didn't suggest taking anything away from it. Everyone always points to other pirate factions when someone says "I wanna fly Sansha!"

This is a buff which actually makes sense, because they have faction launchers. It's a buff which would be easy for them to put in. It's a buff that wouldn't substantially benefit them to an extreme degree, I believe.. and again, if it did, I suggested a counter. Maybe something like -2% fire rate / +2 seconds reload time per active laser turret because power is being rerouted from the loader to the lasers.

That's just off the top of my head, obviously, but when you complain about "do you think CCP would just add these slots and not take away anything else from it?" It's like you didn't read the fact that I suggest providing counters that only directly have an effect on missiles. Think outside of the box a little on how it would be possible to balance the addition of missiles if they proved to be too effective on Sansha ships.

actually there's 3

Blood raiders,,,,,,,,,,, granted the highs are normally fit with nuets and some capless weapons system if any
SoE........................... technically get bonuses to lasers, whether or not they're good on these ships is beyond me
and well shansha for gigajoules of rays of holy indignation.

but yes already too many missile based pirate ships, and shansha ships are in a really good spot now.

I agree on the sole reason that it would add some more flavour to overall very rigid ship fitting design on many ships, there should be more missile slots on most ships to contest alternative utility modules and just to allow more controversial fits.

Also I don't see anything wrong with allowing some unbonused quite minor extra dps in the form of missiles or guns instead of the near obligatory neuts/SBs.

Having more options in the form of fitting decisions is a good thing.