EVE General Discussion

It's be proposed multiple times, cloaked ships shouldn't be on Local.

I can't see it being as simple as this. That would be an enormous buff to people who want to gank site runners. Like me.

All you people talk about is AFK cloaking...

What about smacktalk or general social interaction.

No local "empties" space.

Well, if this goes this way, any null life outside of roaming gangs bumping into each other will be completely eliminated.
Then roaming gangs will go too because there's nothing else but other roaming gangs, if any.


QFT.

Though in null it will be A LOT worse than wormholes could possibly have it even without cynos. The reason is the consistency of gates.
In a wormhole, you put a scout on the enemy, but once some time has passed, your entry is lost, and your scout has lost its purpose. In nullsec, we'll see a permascouts in every second system, which will make each and every possible activity, especially industrial, impossible. Every system gaining a rating anywhere would be instantly targeted, and the only people who will gain with this are people who just put a 24/7 scoutbots on each gate in a multiple-deadend constellation and will have intel on every entry and exit within the system. And I don't even blame them, because any other way would be 100% completely and utterly impossible.

You call mining bot-aspirant behavior? It's a joke compared to how powerful scoutbots are going to be.
That, or campbots in every system in the constellation will camp them out, making activity impossible even with scoutbots. Then we will have an empty nullsec where nobody wants to live, because making a single rating go up anywhere is going to make you a helpless target - there is never a way to survive a hotdrop, never a way to survive a gank in a ratting, or especially, a mining ship. The only thing you can do is hide and reship (and since nobody fights when it's not a stomp, they either leave or camp you), because current game design has made every pve-capable vessel completely lacking in every aspect of self-defense - odds are you won't even do 1 damage to a ganker in an average ratting boat, and die before you lock anything in a mining one.

Local is a powerful tool, but afk cloak camping is an order of magnitude more powerful. I say deal with a bigger problem first.

Good point, if posting in local becomes a tactical element, those social aspects come to an end. Nobody talks in w-space ...

I dont see why cloaky camping is so hard.

I have ALTS that are cloaky campers. And I admit I am not always at my desk.

So lets look at a couple of things.....

Local Chat - EVE is a player driven sand box right. So why for SOV space areas CCP havent created a communications module that needs to be placed in a system. When a communications HUB is in system then local appears. No communications hub no local.

That deals with local chat.

Cloaky ships.

Again have another hub that sends out a sonar ping say every couple of hours that shows you every ship within system. Including cloaky ships. These ships can be seen by members of a corp in the system map. (Just like scanning).

Similar to onlining a structure there is an audible sound that notifies that a sonar ping has been sent out, or maybe a visual affect on a ship.

If I was at my desk looking at my cloaky eyes then I would know that may have been found. If I wasnt at my desk then guess what. Gives members in a system a chance to find me.

Again no sonar hub in system, no way of finding a cloaky ship.

Just a couple of thoughts.

Thankyou bright spark, you are so wise....

You missed the bit... AFK cloaky are a pain, that is what the issue is.
So if I was AFK I wouldnt know if the sonar went off and instantly someone in the corp could warp to 0 and bang, one dead cloaky ship.

If I was at my desk then yeah I know sonar went off. Maybe instead of being a set time then the sonar can only be activated a set nbr of times every hour. Then that way it is not so structured.
So someone can activated it three time in the first ten minutes or maybe stretched out over the hour.

Again I like the way you say, I don't have a clue to fix, but you state my idea doesnt work...
At least I have ideas....

Actually you are right, at the end of the day CCP will do what CCP wants to do. Do they really look at ideas players put forward.
While I would like to be optimistic and say yes, it would depend on the DEV looking after it.

I like the implications of what Fozzie is saying.

Reading that, I'm tempted to draw a particular conclusion.

And if that conclusion turns out to be correct, I will laugh myself half to death.