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Petition: Remove Slaves from the SCC Markets.
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#61 - 2015-03-08 08:34:01 UTC
Signed, i also suggest that any living person should not be on the free maket.

Janitors, tourists, exotic dancers and the rest. It should be their choice who they work for NOT some capsuleer who has set an arbitrary price for their services. We should not be involved in their choices in any way beyond offering a wage. It should be up to the individual to accept.
Celestia Via
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#62 - 2015-03-08 09:41:46 UTC

Thank you.

Thank you all!

"We marched for days and nights, under sun, in the rain. Our minds and bodies ached for rest, but in our hearts there was nothing but the fight."
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#63 - 2015-03-08 10:50:05 UTC
Signed. Buy or sell the Labour of a person, not the person.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#64 - 2015-03-08 11:27:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
It should be noted that this proposal is a call to end the sale of slaves to those who have no divine right to own them. It is not a call to end slavery. If you are signing, what you are advocating for is an end to the liberal business practices that have resulted in the sale of slaves through SCC loopholes to non-Holders.

I will ask once again that people please refrain from trying to make this a call for abolition of slavery, because that will only ensure that this measure fails to convince the people it is hoping to convince. This proposal is a call to preserve Amarrian traditions against the evils that have resulted of a foreign-introduced liberal free market.

Slaves belong to Amarrian Holders and no others.
Celestia Via
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#65 - 2015-03-08 11:48:21 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
It should be noted that this proposal is a call to end the sale of slaves to those who have no divine right to own them. It is not a call to end slavery. If you are signing, what you are advocating for is an end to the liberal business practices that have resulted in the sale of slaves through SCC loopholes to non-Holders.

I will ask once again that people please refrain from trying to make this a call for abolition of slavery, because that will only ensure that this measure fails to convince the people it is hoping to convince. This proposal is a call to preserve Amarrian traditions against the evils that have resulted of a foreign-introduced liberal free market.

Slaves belong to Amarrian Holders and no others.


Your own divine leader has moved towards the abolition of slavery! Do you feel it wise to question her? ...Nevermind, this is none of my concern.

Even so, it is a small step to the right direction.

"We marched for days and nights, under sun, in the rain. Our minds and bodies ached for rest, but in our hearts there was nothing but the fight."
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#66 - 2015-03-08 12:02:18 UTC
Her Imperial Majesty has only said that the time for chains is ending, but that day is not today. It will happen in a manner and time of God's choosing.

Until that time we must work to preserve slavery according to proper tradition and Scripture, and resist attempts to turn it into a secular profiteering venture.

Thank you again to those that have supported this.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#67 - 2015-03-08 12:19:57 UTC
I was referring to the Capsuleer market, of course. What our allies (and enemies) get up to in their sovereign space is a matter for them.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#68 - 2015-03-08 12:50:44 UTC
This petition seems to be a proper answer to some recent proclamations. I support the initiative.

Corporate ID
Albizu Zateki
Doomheim
#69 - 2015-03-08 14:32:59 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
It should be noted that this proposal is a call to end the sale of slaves to those who have no divine right to own them. It is not a call to end slavery. If you are signing, what you are advocating for is an end to the liberal business practices that have resulted in the sale of slaves through SCC loopholes to non-Holders.

I will ask once again that people please refrain from trying to make this a call for abolition of slavery, because that will only ensure that this measure fails to convince the people it is hoping to convince. This proposal is a call to preserve Amarrian traditions against the evils that have resulted of a foreign-introduced liberal free market.

Slaves belong to Amarrian Holders and no others.



Yes, do sign.

By signing, that means YOU SUPPORT SLAVERY!

Dolts.

It means that not only do you support it, you support the Holder system that originated it and you vote to keep the Holders and the institution of slavery going strong in High Sec Amarr.

Of course, if you come out to Delve, The Covenant has slaves of all sorts. End slavery in Amarr and it will continue among the Covenant, the Angels, anywhere we roam.

And if you find yourself supporting CONCORD or the Sisters (lovely little blood scouts some of them are), you should probably ask yourself why they don't do a thing to "end slavery."

It matters not. You can vote and petition all you want. You will change nothing.You might as well throw snowballs at a star and hope to extinguish its light.









"Bloody Omir's coming back. Monsters from the endless black. Wading through a crimson flood, Omir's come to drink your blood."
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#70 - 2015-03-08 14:37:34 UTC
I would have the readers of this forum remember that I am a Khanid Commoner and thus a rightful and legal slave-owner.

I would also add that like all slave-owners, I have the right to find my slaves guilty and pronounce sentences of death upon them.

All that I have done is exercise my legal rights to own lots of slaves and pronounce sentences of death upon all of them.
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#71 - 2015-03-08 14:56:30 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
I would have the readers of this forum remember that I am a Khanid Commoner and thus a rightful and legal slave-owner.

I would also add that like all slave-owners, I have the right to find my slaves guilty and pronounce sentences of death upon them.

All that I have done is exercise my legal rights to own lots of slaves and pronounce sentences of death upon all of them.



Your legality to own slaves is not in question here. Re-read the original post.
This is a petition to cease illegal or loopholed slave trading by the SCC markets. If you are able to own slaves you have other ways to acquire them.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#72 - 2015-03-08 15:06:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
The Butcher is not a legal slave owner in Amarr, regardless of what practices the Kingdom deals in.
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#73 - 2015-03-08 17:26:28 UTC
I'm fairly certain that the Kingdom doesn't let heretics buy slaves by the million and execute them for the 'red god.'
Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#74 - 2015-03-08 17:32:43 UTC
Personally, signed.

On behalf of Repracor Industries, signed.

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference
Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#75 - 2015-03-08 21:14:30 UTC
Despite my own opinions on the issue of Abolition, I shall honor Ms Kernher's request for a debate-free petition.

/signed

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
Slobodan Hawkwood
House Hawkwood of Amarr
#76 - 2015-03-08 21:35:49 UTC
Signed

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

Paladin's Creed
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#77 - 2015-03-08 21:37:31 UTC
I like watching Blood Raiders squirm.

-Eran
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#78 - 2015-03-08 22:05:31 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
Merdaneth wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
The SCC marketplace is an excellent place to trade slaves, even if it does mean that those not worthy of holding slaves can deal in them.

Therefore, rather than an outright ban I favour an amendment to the SCC's procedures so that undesirables cannot trade in slaves.


My opinion is congruent with that of Admiral Blake on this matter.

No blanket bans. Merely introduce proper checks and balances.

Trying to change the SCC is a futile gesture that results in nothing but good feelings for having tried.
Changing the policy of the Imperial and Khanid institutions that sell slaves on the SCC market is a much more attainable and specific goal.
If you or Admiral Blake have a plan that is achievable, measurable and specific, I would love to hear it.


If I wanted to change Imperial and Khanid institutions, I would do it in the form of a petition. Petitions reek of Gallente culture: a culture of self-entitlement.
Katerina Tzestu
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#79 - 2015-03-08 22:32:45 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
I'm fairly certain that the Kingdom doesn't let heretics buy slaves by the million and execute them for the 'red god.'


We don't. Signed.
Blue spy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#80 - 2015-03-08 22:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Blue spy
While I understand that this petition could have had a more likable list of opponents, I would like to encourage everybody here to at least attempt to understand exactly what Nauplius and Albizu are attempting to explain.
This petition is not a step forward in the abolition of slavery; nor will it result in any meaningful strides made in the welfare of slaves. What this petition will do is codify into law the divine right for Amarrian holders, and only Amarrian holders to engage in the practice of buying and selling slaves. I encourage any Minmatar and abolitionists here to look over this petition again, and ask yourself this question... "Why should we legitimise the Amarrian slave trade?"

This petition is not sacrosanct; it's an attempt to corner a market and muscle out external competition. There's no mercy or kindness in it so why humour it by treating this petition as if it is some kind of benevolent gesture above scrutiny?