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Rattlesnake for Level 4s
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Agent Known
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-03-06 14:24:12 UTC
I know there's probably tons of threads about this particular ship, but I wanted to see if the following fit was at all viable:

[Rattlesnake, active tank - mjd tanking]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Bouncer II x2
Federation Navy Ogre x2
Gecko x1
Inferno Fury Cruise Missile x2500
Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x2500
Inferno Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I x1000
Scourge Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I x1000
Inferno Precision Cruise Missile x2500
Scourge Precision Cruise Missile x2500

I currently have a passive setup with relays, but the DPS is not where I want it to be. This one relies on using the MJD to get range and kill things quickly. Would it work for most missions or will I have a dead Rattler? If I'm happy with the DPS output I'll probably put faction damage mods on it.
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#2 - 2015-03-06 14:43:42 UTC
What dps do you want it to be? With bit of bling 1600 dps total with gecko or ~1450 with bouncers+fury missiles is possibility (and 1k burst tank against thermic/kin)
Agent Known
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-03-06 14:56:57 UTC
Warmonger Simon wrote:
What dps do you want it to be? With bit of bling 1600 dps total with gecko or ~1450 with bouncers+fury missiles is possibility (and 1k burst tank against thermic/kin)


I want it to not take 10 volleys to pop a battleship ...not sure if that's the common number. My passive snake barely cracks 1k dps with my skills (missiles + drones) and when testing yesterday its tank broke on some of the easier missions...

It's been a good few years since I've run them (running them for faction standings + LP) so I'm a bit behind :)
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#4 - 2015-03-06 15:01:13 UTC
This is what i fly - http://take.ms/gW4Ew - my missile skills aren't great and it does missions okay, as long as you don't try to tank whole room/all waves at same time in last room of Extravaganza. 1200dps with my ****** skills and t1 launchers.
Agent Known
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-03-06 15:03:16 UTC
Warmonger Simon wrote:
This is what i fly - http://take.ms/gW4Ew - my missile skills aren't great and it does missions okay, as long as you don't try to tank whole room/all waves at same time in last room of Extravaganza. 1200dps with my ****** skills and t1 launchers.


Hmm, does mixing purgers with an active tank work well? It probably gets decent regen for when you're not running the booster...there's the capacitor safeguard rigs for lowering the cap usage of the booster, but that depends on it. How often do you cap out with that fit?
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#6 - 2015-03-06 15:18:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Warmonger Simon
Meh never as long as i'm on top of my game with triggers. With pimped fit you can probably get around 1600 dps.
http://take.ms/wfKTK
Purgers in my rattle are just for looks as i didn't want to destroy rigs later as i'll be using that rattle in C4 anoms soon with different fit/full passive
Agent Known
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-03-06 16:24:26 UTC
Yeah..it's not bad. The whole no prop thing will make the slowboating to gates 50km gates pretty painful, but it's hard to fit a prop mod without sacrificing a lot of tank.
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#8 - 2015-03-06 16:28:08 UTC
100mn mwd in place of omni in missions you know there's going to be gates that far. Or just take a mobile depot with u and deploy it at start of mission and once rats are dead refit :P
Agent Known
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-03-06 16:38:15 UTC
Warmonger Simon wrote:
100mn mwd in place of omni in missions you know there's going to be gates that far. Or just take a mobile depot with u and deploy it at start of mission and once rats are dead refit :P


I like that idea actually. Thanks for the fitting ideas. Mobile depots will indeed help a lot.
Chris Winter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-03-06 22:23:05 UTC
Just use a normal active fit with the MJD. A large shield booster and or two mission-specific hardeners is all the tank you need. That allows you to get more DPS by fitting more omnis or TPs.

Note that with just one DLA your drones won't be able to hit out to 100km that you MJD, so it's probably not a bad idea to drop the CDFE in favor of a drone scope chip, although you'll need good fitting skills to squeeze everything on.

You also don't need an MWD if you have an MJD. Just make a triangle with two MJD hops and you can get anywhere you want to be.
Dan Osiris
Never Not Contract
#11 - 2015-03-07 23:03:32 UTC
Yeah if you're going active shield booster, max gank, then lose the shield extenders and go hardeners and either X-large shield booster or ancillary repper. Deadspace hardeners and faction damage mods are pretty cheap and well worth it.
Dir Zen
Tax Haven 5.0
#12 - 2015-03-08 04:28:50 UTC
How about this fit? rattle
It's really cheap with some pretty big buffer enough for all lvl 4's I think. Only thing is damage application with missiles might be bit bad. What do you guys think? Oh and that warp scrambler would be changed to an omni, obviously.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#13 - 2015-03-08 14:06:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Agent Known wrote:
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

This is what I'd change (you really don't need two propulsion modules). You may run into some issues with CPU, in which case drop the 3rd Ballistic Control for a Co-Processor II. With Long Range Targeting V, the Drone Control Range rig and the pair of Omnidirectional Tracking Links you should be able to hit out to ~95km with most sentry drones. It's definitely worth it to drop some ISK on a Deadspace shield booster, and they recoup the cost fairly quickly. The two Warhead Rigors ensure that you can apply full damage to battleships with Furies without the use of the target painter. Ironically, the target painter is best paired with the sentry drones against cruisers and frigates.

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II (optimal range script)
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II (optimal range script)
Phased Weapon Navigation Array

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor

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