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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2015-03-08 00:01:01 UTC
Kithrus wrote:

I feel like everyone is missing a point here. We are not in CVA, in AM, my alliance AM which is a separate alliance told on no uncertain terms to ditch the guy they don't like or be made red and lose any benefit of providence should I chose to go there and be under fire if I encounter CVA and ally gangs.

This is about CVA trying to pressure me to cast my friend adrift cause they don't like him.

Not for in game reasons, not for tactical reasons...

Personal reasons.

Honestly it would take a lot more than the information you've given us for anyone on the forums to take a moral stance on this instance. We don't know what problems this guy is claimed to have cause. We don't know how he is being treated by the alliance other than being asked to leave. While I agree that it is necessary to be sensitive and accommodating to individuals with issues in interpersonal communication, there does come a point where trying to incorporate that person is no longer the right thing to do. You are talking about a community of players. If a single individual is being disruptive to that sense of community, at a certian point that individual will have to be removed regardless of extenuating circumstances.

I have had to remove people from gaming communities for similar reasons in the past. I will again in the future. Its not fun for me, its awful to the individual, but sometimes its the right thing to do.

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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2015-03-08 03:34:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vapor Ventrillian
Hey Kithrus

I sympathise with your story but unless you would like you and your friend branded with a "mentally disabled sticker" with all of the connotations attached with it then you have to accept that eve is robust and ofttimes brutal...too everyone

it is in your and you friends court

Their is an absolute smorgas board of space mmo's with a stricter code of conduct from its members. It may be that eve is not be for you. Bullying and harassment is an issue but self direction must be your first port of call what will YOU do about it?

life is a perfect sh*tstorm buddy and we cannot protect you from it as we are trying to protect ourselves

all the best man

Vapor o7

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#63 - 2015-03-08 03:55:09 UTC
Crybaby OP is crybaby.

Since he is KOS in Provi I shall enjoy shooting him in the face and derping his wreck.

Derping his wreck, man.

tldr HTFU you pansy. If it upsets you so much attack CVA and take Provi away from them.

The game lets you do things like that, you know.

Roll

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Dsparil
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2015-03-08 15:40:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Dsparil
Kithrus wrote:
I gave a long thought about how I want to go about doing this, at first I was angry then I was baffled. I beg forgiveness of CCP but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.

Three years ago I was in CVA with a friend of mine. He has Asbergers syndrome and has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. I have my own mental deficiency which allowed me to understand this person as I too have issue socializing though not to the same degree.

Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.

Now up to this point I understood. they just wanted him to go away. I understand though frowned in disapproval. At the end of the day this person has done nothing wrong to anyone in CVA to merit perma KoS status but apparently that's what happened.

Time wore on and I forgot though I wish I said something then. events transpired that gave me ownership of AM. This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance.

CVA swiftly respond by telling me to throw him out on his ear or be marked KoS.

Now for those of you who are snickering at this point the door is over there. Are they gone? Good, I hate that guy.

I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.

No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.

I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.

Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.

Ultimately I don't care about being KoS to CVA, ultimately I know CCP can't do anything but I feel the player base should know this story and decide for themselves how they feel.

If nothing else lest the truth is known now.

fly safe.



Honestly dude, unless they're going to go trekking into high sec looking for him and suicide ganking him left and right and yourself, who gives a ****? KoS? bwaha! t3 nully cloaky stabbed cruiser ftw. **** them sideways. CVA can go screw themselves up the ass with a feces covered pinecone.


EVE is all about griefing. It's even more harassing when the griefers are denied their pleasure. Don't worry about CVA. They couldn't find snow in the middle of an alaskan winter. KoS doesn't mean ****. I've got a bunch of my alts that are KoS and nothing has ever come of it. In fact, I'm sure the people who set me KoS forgot about it miles back. KoS is **** people do to individual players as a spur of the moment thing thinking it's going to scare the crap out of them and they get it in their heads that they're going to chase that individual around and paint their entire killboard for the month in that person's killmails. Truth be told the aggressor forgets about the KoS five minutes later and the person being aggressed forgets it five days later. Nobody cares. If that makes sense. Drama llama gonna drama.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2015-03-08 15:47:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
Kithrus wrote:
I gave a long thought about how I want to go about doing this, at first I was angry then I was baffled. I beg forgiveness of CCP but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.

Three years ago I was in CVA with a friend of mine. He has Asbergers syndrome and has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. I have my own mental deficiency which allowed me to understand this person as I too have issue socializing though not to the same degree.

Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.

Now up to this point I understood. they just wanted him to go away. I understand though frowned in disapproval. At the end of the day this person has done nothing wrong to anyone in CVA to merit perma KoS status but apparently that's what happened.

Time wore on and I forgot though I wish I said something then. events transpired that gave me ownership of AM. This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance.

CVA swiftly respond by telling me to throw him out on his ear or be marked KoS.

Now for those of you who are snickering at this point the door is over there. Are they gone? Good, I hate that guy.

I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.

No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.

I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.

Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.

Ultimately I don't care about being KoS to CVA, ultimately I know CCP can't do anything but I feel the player base should know this story and decide for themselves how they feel.

If nothing else lest the truth is known now.

fly safe.


Why do you guys always enforce all your medical conditions on the general public? THAT is rude and close to social pornography.
I do not know where this culture of sharing every personal detail online comes from but I´d rather prefer that it stays there.
I for myself do not care at all what condition you or your pal have. If you can not interact with other people....you probably should not do it.

That said, I hope CVA also sets you KOS.

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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
#66 - 2015-03-08 16:05:31 UTC
How long before CVA becomes aware of this thread and decides to reevaluate the conditions of their relationship with OP?

Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
Orlacc
#67 - 2015-03-08 16:22:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Kithrus wrote:
I gave a long thought about how I want to go about doing this, at first I was angry then I was baffled. I beg forgiveness of CCP but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.

Three years ago I was in CVA with a friend of mine. He has Asbergers syndrome and has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. I have my own mental deficiency which allowed me to understand this person as I too have issue socializing though not to the same degree.

Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.

Now up to this point I understood. they just wanted him to go away. I understand though frowned in disapproval. At the end of the day this person has done nothing wrong to anyone in CVA to merit perma KoS status but apparently that's what happened.

Time wore on and I forgot though I wish I said something then. events transpired that gave me ownership of AM. This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance.

CVA swiftly respond by telling me to throw him out on his ear or be marked KoS.

Now for those of you who are snickering at this point the door is over there. Are they gone? Good, I hate that guy.

I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.

No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.

I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.

Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.

Ultimately I don't care about being KoS to CVA, ultimately I know CCP can't do anything but I feel the player base should know this story and decide for themselves how they feel.

If nothing else lest the truth is known now.

fly safe.


Why do you guys always enforce all your medical conditions on the general public? THAT is rude and close to social pornography.
I do not know where this culture of sharing every personal detail online comes from but I´d rather prefer that it stays there.
I for myself do not care at all what condition you or your pal have. If you can not interact with other people....you probably should not do it.

That said, I hope CVA also sets you KOS.



I hate that crap too. I come here to escape RL. We seem to be in a time where the majority is expected to always adapt their behaviors to accommodate one small minority or another. And claiming to suffer from this or that to gain sympathy or special treatment is lame.

I have also run into a few fake "veterans" who try and use that as an excuse for one thing or another.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2015-03-08 18:57:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Tolerance is double-edged sword. It cuts both ways and it's not about enduring someone's presence or habits.
Tolerance lies on spines of 3 whales
1)Not hiding problems (That means "announcing WHEN THEY ASK").
2)Apologizing.
3)Forgiving.

I believe both you and your friend failed at first and second. That's obvious, right?
Third part is a bit harder. Instead of facing your misdeeds and backing off, solving conflict, you are escalating it by spreading it over new communities. It's the same thing as any harassment/discrimination lawsuit - way of solving one case at price of escalating global tension.

Now, the question is — what you want? To rip off something for your advantage or discrimination-free world?

And yes, I've got asthma, arachnoiditis, wide spectrum of allergies, I suffer from panic attacks and very strong headaches.
But I'm not smacktalking heavy smokers or that guy who is giving me free orange on the market when I'm buying apples.
I don't put it on my colleagues or relatives.
I seek solitude when panic attack closing up and apologizing if somebody witnessed not the brightest moment of mine.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2015-03-08 22:34:24 UTC
Tyyler DURden wrote:
How long before CVA becomes aware of this thread and decides to reevaluate the conditions of their relationship with OP?

Probably already happened, why does it matter? Its CVA.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#70 - 2015-03-08 22:39:37 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Tyyler DURden wrote:
How long before CVA becomes aware of this thread and decides to reevaluate the conditions of their relationship with OP?

Probably already happened, why does it matter? Its CVA.


+1
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#71 - 2015-03-08 22:44:29 UTC
All the cool kids are red to CVA.

I don't even remember why I am red, but I am, so I must be cool.
Tasspool Harp
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2015-03-09 09:27:27 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
I really feel like people are missing the point here.


Seems a bit much if all he did to go red was to rub some people up the wrong way, but that isn't bullying.

I might be wrong here, but wasn't taking in a pilot on the CVA KOS list pretty much going to guarantee that your corp/alliance went on there too ? I thought that was standard so doesn't strike me as bullying either.

This might not strike you as palatable and against your principles but can he not be accommodated in another corp and just fly with you guys outside Provi?

Anyway hope things work out for you and your friend.


Lachesiss
Perkone
Caldari State
#73 - 2015-03-09 10:20:40 UTC
CVA have me KoS because eveytime im in local there chars cant take there eyes off my assets and crash into gates and do random weird s&*t.

TBH OP I would just tell CVA to stick it up there arse and shoot them in the face with some neutron blasters.


It will make you feel a ton better watching there hull hit that last gasp of 5% knowing there spamming that warp button like a raging rabbit Blink.

(edit you need to know what a raging rabbit is before you understand last sentence) Shocked

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Valkin Mordirc
#74 - 2015-03-09 10:46:26 UTC
Quote:
cant take there eyes off my assets and crash into gates and do random weird s&*t.



POH's secret weapon is apparently boobs then.


Huh.


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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#75 - 2015-03-09 12:40:36 UTC
Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. Sad
Sahvi Morvaalis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2015-03-09 22:59:45 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I've seen people get fired from their jobs for all of the above, getting fired from an internet spaceships organisation is chump change compared to that.


But most employers unless very vindictive don't go to your new boss and tell them they can't do business with them because they hired you.


Maybe not, but I'm sure they'd be truthful in their opinions if called as a reference.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2015-03-10 02:03:30 UTC
An EVE alliance isn't obliged to act as an aspergers support group.

There are places one can go for help. Expecting EVE players to care is beyond ridiculous.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2015-03-10 04:40:55 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. Sad


Goddamm that is so true. I weep for the future.

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Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2015-03-10 11:46:54 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising. Sad


Goddamm that is so true. I weep for the future.


I fine lets play it your way, where would the limit be then? No one seems to have that answer at all because they are so worried that any admittance of going to far would call for rules they fear so much.


I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell.

I have had lots **** on me in eve, I don't care it's the game but I have standards and I'd like to think you do too.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.
Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2015-03-10 12:13:15 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell.
.


Calm down, dear. Please.

A personal grudge from outside the game you say? But you said first that your "friend" was being an arse in game hence the in game repercussions?

Also, making someone's life hell <> being allowed to play in someone's corner of the sandbox.
On top of that, if banning someone from "your space" would be an issue - moral or other - for any reason, a lot of nullsec entities would like to have a word with you Cool

So what is your point again?

D.

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