EVE General Discussion

I have a similar thread in F&I about this same thing, friend: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=33740&find=unread

I've been a world-class healer in other MMOs for over a decade, but I have no way to find out whether I want to space priest in this game without dropping a million sp on it just to try it out.

As a newbie who flies nothing but ECM though (since that role actually does have options for a newbie), I assure you it does have counters.

The scimitar and Onerios would like a word with you

Because T1 logistics should be as effective and easy to get into as say, a Blackbird? It should take time and a certain focused career path to be so effective. If everyone could jump into a Logistics with low skills and little time invested, it would be detrimental to this game. Yeah it would benefit low sp players short term, but not so much anyone else, including those same players a bit down the road. We already have a plethora of ECM nonsense. Not really comparing the two, just sayin'. My opinion of course.

I think the primary issue here isn't the skill required to use logistics. It is people always wanting the perfect setup. There are tech 1 cruisers with bonuses similar to logistics (obviously not that strong) but I've seen them used rather seldom (don't think I've seen them at all). I'm not talking about Incursions here, but there it's similar, just with DPS ships. People prefer "shiny" ships, so T2 or pirate/navy with T2 weapons and stuff. I agree, they'll be more effective that way, however, it also slows down newbies and beginners. Let someone with a not optimum fitting join and he'll be ready in a better fitting faster (assuming the skills are trained etc.).
I won't suggest anyone to use a T1 cruiser as logistics in Incursions (as this would be quite stupid IMO), but Eve definitely could need some more missions that can be done with 2-3 players on L3 or L4 niveau while still offering good money for the time invested. L5 and Incursions won't count here for me, nor will low sec. It's an option, sure, but there's also quite some higher entry level already.
There are missions that will still pay off rather well, but others just aren't really worth it, once you're getting 3 or 4 people into your fleet. Yeah, a new corp mate who's interested in playing a healer could fly salvaging for the time being, but let's just be honest, that's rather boring, too (and to get into Logistics faster he doesn't have the time to skill hulls and weapons at once).

So, I read the OP. At the moment, I feel that the logis are fine as is.

Before I go on. I am a regular basilisk and a guardian pilot. In addition, I have an alt as an dual logi partner. I earned billions and billions, in addition, a recognition from my corp and alliance, that i sometimes get free logis, also some free pvp ships when I feel like shooting. I probably earned around 20b or so to date when I fly logi. I went on a month long expedition and I earned 3b of the 12b total earned with my group last month. Then I went incursions and I made billions more for the past several months.

If you are a logi pilot, then act like one. If you feel the need to be in KM, fine, carry some combat drones. I helped take part killing 6 moms in Oijanen systems. All it took was a single Warrior II drone to be on those killmails. If I wasnt there with dual logi, probably would only kill one or all would have escaped. Logistics can easily turn the tide of any battle.

Regarding the ECM buff or whatever you call it. I fully disagree. Just one ECCM give just adequate enough protection against jammers. Just as logis can turn the tide of the battle, Electronic warfare can also turn the tide of the battle. ECM is one of them.

I must say, the OP is not fit enough, let alone commited, to fly a logi. I dont think you fly enough as a logi pilot. T1 variance is weak, but rather leave those alone. I mean, seriously? Not accessable? Come on!

I fly logistics so my gang can kick some ass and win and I get free stuff sometimes. I enjoy playing as support role. Maxed out leadership skills, dual logi pilot and a triage carrier pilot. Fully commited to support my corp.

All in all, logistics is fine as is other than crap scimitar and oneiros. I consider them noobships. ;-) Then again, scimitars is... Decent in my book. And complaining about price? Tell that to supply and demand. I used to buy them cheap at 50M!

TL;DR version? You fly logi to SUPPORT your gang. You dont really need KM. You need isk? Do incursion. ECM problems? ECCM mod. Most of all, learn to fly logi before you complain.

Logistics is a bad, bad, bad game mechanic.
It intensifies the necessity of boring alpha fleets.

Seriously, if anyone heard that fleet warfare in EVE consisted of 'EVERYONE SHOOT THIS GUY! (Pop) NEXT TARGET! (Pop) NEXT! (Pop)', then they'd instantly be turned off.

A nerf to logistics won't fix much, because more logistics will be brought along.
What EVE needs is a huge change in game mechanics.

You've got no idea what you're talking about. Logistic ships are already way too powerful.

Wanna proof? Check ally tourney rules.

I understand that logistic isn't THAT accessible, but you must be commited. It just shows how greedy and unexperienced OP is.

As someone said, all it takes is 3 months for a good logi. I, and I mean, I, made my alt an co-op basi in 4 months when I made him. To the exact specifications and skills. SP dont matter, only thing that matter is how commited you are. It seems you saw my skills lists. His 5m? Sp was as good as my 80m? SP skills.

My alt literally trained nothing but learning skills and logistic skills for the first 3-4 months. This ain't a walk in a park!

I spent more time on leadership skills and that for sure aint walk in the park, but its ******* worth it.

3-4 months of skill training to even TRY out a role with no idea whether you will even enjoy it or not, and no option to fly a lower-skill introductory ship to practice with beforehand, is not okay.

You might even call it "inaccessible".

I too remember Dial Up.