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Anniversary: 1,000,000 MORE Slaves Sacrificed to God

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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#41 - 2015-03-04 16:08:26 UTC
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Now we should be getting off the sidelines and launching humanitarian interventions in Amarr territory?

I think you might rather we didn't.




Surely a capsuleer with such vast power and auspices can grant welcome assistance to those that need it, regardless of faith or nation?
Why do you hide behind your politics?


You apparently don't get it.

It isn't "hiding behind politics" to acknowledge that one's "assistance" isn't welcome everywhere in the cluster. As fond as we Gallente are of helping the downtrodden, others in the Cluster are just as dedicated to telling us to "mind our own business." Our Caldari and Amarrian neighbors foremost among them.

Its a bit duplicitous to on one hand castigate the Federation for intervening where it isn't welcome, then turn around and yowl about "condemning from the sidelines" and not getting directly involved.

Moreover, should the Federation decide to start launching military operations against human rights atrocities in the Amarr Empire we would be unlikely to stop with Nauplius.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2015-03-04 16:25:42 UTC
Seems things did not go entirely to plan https://zkillboard.com/kill/45005935/

And it looks like the people may have survived https://zkillboard.com/kill/45006564/

Who picked them up?

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#43 - 2015-03-04 16:54:00 UTC
So much stone throwing from those living in glass houses...

I'll just leave it at that.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2015-03-04 17:24:36 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
So much stone throwing from those living in glass houses...

I'll just leave it at that.


If you winning you need not say anything.

If your mistaken you make yourself look worse.

In this case it's the later of the two as you clearly have no concept of us (being proper Amarrians) at all.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2015-03-04 17:49:19 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Seems things did not go entirely to plan https://zkillboard.com/kill/45005935/

And it looks like the people may have survived https://zkillboard.com/kill/45006564/

Who picked them up?


Unfortunately, the Butcher shot their wreck and killed them all. I arrived too late after Maria sent me word and nothing remained.
Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#46 - 2015-03-04 17:52:50 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
What does it even matter. He can't ever be actually stopped, and for every thousand saved a hundred thousand are killed.


Mr. Onzo is right, suuolo.

Even if you are not able to save the hundred thousand, to those thousand that are saved, it's everything!

Don't diminish what that means for them. Don't you dare threat their salvation as nothing! The ones who were not saved would have given anything to be saved!

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#47 - 2015-03-04 18:47:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Shame we can't blockade the trade hubs so he can't get in to buy the slave, ships, or station components he needs.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#48 - 2015-03-04 19:34:10 UTC
Nauplius is a graduate of the Imperial Academy. While we are so quick to lay blame at the feet of those who do not do enough to fight these vile acts the real culprit gets away untarnished. Make no mistake, it is the institutions who put the power in his hands that share blame, not those of us who do not act to clean up after it.

Casting dispersion here does nothing more than give this madman a soapbox from which to preach his vile sermons, and to sow discord and dismay amongst those of us who see these acts for what they are.

I would ask, those who still hold clout with the Amarrian Empire to petition the Empire, seek to reform it's methods and prevent more madman from reaching our ranks. While we do have the power, at least to some degree, to waylay and stem his rampage, the duty, nor the fault should have ever fell to our hands. The blood of these newly slain is squarely on Nauplius himself, and the institutions that created him.

So rather than lay blame here, rather than curse and shout at each other impotence in the wake of another atrocity shielded under the protection of CONCORD, seek the change we need to end this madness once at for all.

Because what we do here is nothing more than tantrum with little real progress.

-K
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#49 - 2015-03-04 19:47:49 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Nauplius is a graduate of the Imperial Academy. While we are so quick to lay blame at the feet of those who do not do enough to fight these vile acts the real culprit gets away untarnished. Make no mistake, it is the institutions who put the power in his hands that share blame, not those of us who do not act to clean up after it.

Casting dispersion here does nothing more than give this madman a soapbox from which to preach his vile sermons, and to sow discord and dismay amongst those of us who see these acts for what they are.

I would ask, those who still hold clout with the Amarrian Empire to petition the Empire, seek to reform it's methods and prevent more madman from reaching our ranks. While we do have the power, at least to some degree, to waylay and stem his rampage, the duty, nor the fault should have ever fell to our hands. The blood of these newly slain is squarely on Nauplius himself, and the institutions that created him.

So rather than lay blame here, rather than curse and shout at each other impotence in the wake of another atrocity shielded under the protection of CONCORD, seek the change we need to end this madness once at for all.

Because what we do here is nothing more than tantrum with little real progress.

-K



So what you're saying here, is that to prevent more Naupliuses from appearing, we should prevent the Amarr Empire from training capsuleers ?

And similarly, to prevent more Diana Kims from appearing, we should prevent the State from doing so as well ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Maria Daphiti
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2015-03-04 19:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Maria Daphiti
Vizage wrote:
Nauplius is a graduate of the Imperial Academy. While we are so quick to lay blame at the feet of those who do not do enough to fight these vile acts the real culprit gets away untarnished. Make no mistake, it is the institutions who put the power in his hands that share blame, not those of us who do not act to clean up after it.

Casting dispersion here does nothing more than give this madman a soapbox from which to preach his vile sermons, and to sow discord and dismay amongst those of us who see these acts for what they are.

I would ask, those who still hold clout with the Amarrian Empire to petition the Empire, seek to reform it's methods and prevent more madman from reaching our ranks. While we do have the power, at least to some degree, to waylay and stem his rampage, the duty, nor the fault should have ever fell to our hands. The blood of these newly slain is squarely on Nauplius himself, and the institutions that created him.

So rather than lay blame here, rather than curse and shout at each other impotence in the wake of another atrocity shielded under the protection of CONCORD, seek the change we need to end this madness once at for all.

Because what we do here is nothing more than tantrum with little real progress.

-K


Vizage, with umm all respect, you do know he's, like, from the Kingdom right? King Khanid II is, like, who you should direct your petitions to.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#51 - 2015-03-04 20:00:47 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Nauplius is a graduate of the Imperial Academy. While we are so quick to lay blame at the feet of those who do not do enough to fight these vile acts the real culprit gets away untarnished. Make no mistake, it is the institutions who put the power in his hands that share blame, not those of us who do not act to clean up after it.

Casting dispersion here does nothing more than give this madman a soapbox from which to preach his vile sermons, and to sow discord and dismay amongst those of us who see these acts for what they are.

I would ask, those who still hold clout with the Amarrian Empire to petition the Empire, seek to reform it's methods and prevent more madman from reaching our ranks. While we do have the power, at least to some degree, to waylay and stem his rampage, the duty, nor the fault should have ever fell to our hands. The blood of these newly slain is squarely on Nauplius himself, and the institutions that created him.

So rather than lay blame here, rather than curse and shout at each other impotence in the wake of another atrocity shielded under the protection of CONCORD, seek the change we need to end this madness once at for all.

Because what we do here is nothing more than tantrum with little real progress.

-K


Ms. Amsel, if so, may I suggest that the State, the Republic, and Federation and their associated capsuleers also all do the same? Sadly in this beknighted cluster, there's no shortage of madmen and women. -Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2015-03-04 20:04:57 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
So much stone throwing from those living in glass houses...

I'll just leave it at that.


One might think that an someone who professes to have vested interests in the freedom of the Minmatar people and the destruction of a man who has tortured those people on a grand scale with no plans to stop might take a moment from her talk of glass houses to affirm the validity of her stance by undertaking some meaningful action against him.
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2015-03-04 20:24:09 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Unfortunately, the Butcher shot their wreck and killed them all. I arrived too late after Maria sent me word and nothing remained.


They are with god now. Thank you for doing what you could.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#54 - 2015-03-04 21:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
While I find it a tad bit ironic that three Amarrian's all leap up in protest of my plea. I agree with some of what you have said. First I think it's best to respond to Ms. Valate as that is something I don't agree agree with.

Ms. Valate stretching my words into the realm of absurdity does no one any favours and is a shoddy attempt at morphing my point into something it isn't. I never once said nor implied the empire should cease all capsuleer training. Rather I think the training should be more rigorous. Especially in the psychological profiling to ensure we catch potential madmen before we hand them immortality.

Now onto the points of substance. Ms. Daphiti my apologies if I caused any offence, the Khanid Kingdom should too seek reforms to prevent these men as well. The reason I specifically mentioned The Imperial Academy is that he surely learned many of his combat attributes there while enrolled.

Ms. Aspenstar, with you I also wholeheartedly agree. And as Ms. Valate was so kind to point out, we all have our own problem cases. I think this reform should be petitioned to all empires, I was merely being specific to the topic (Naupilus) at hand.

-K
Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-03-04 23:29:47 UTC
Vizage wrote:
While I find it a tad bit ironic that three Amarrian's all leap up in protest of my plea. I agree with some of what you have said. First I think it's best to respond to Ms. Valate as that is something I don't agree agree with.

Ms. Valate stretching my words into the realm of absurdity does no one any favours and is a shoddy attempt at morphing my point into something it isn't. I never once said no implied the empire should cease all capsuleer training. Rather I think the training should be more rigorous. Especially in the psychological profiling to ensure we catch potential madmen before we hand them immortality.

Now onto the points of substance. Ms. Daphiti my apologies if I caused any offence, the Khanid Kingdom should too seek reforms to prevent these men as well. The reason I specifically mentioned The Imperial Academy is that he surely learned many of his combat attributes there while enrolled.

Ms. Aspenstar, with you I also wholeheartedly agree. And as Ms. Valate was so kind to point out, we all have our own problem cases. I think this reform should be petitioned to all empires, I was merely being specific to the topic (Naupilus) at hand.

-K


I.. I think i understand what you meant.. If i am right then yes, you are correct, and i believe the same, it should be harder for one to become a capsuleer as to weed out those week of mind and corruptible, but where there is power, there will always be corruption unless given a goal.. Unfortunately, it is harder to implement that then it is to speak about it..

Humble regards, Eli Sariah

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#56 - 2015-03-04 23:32:31 UTC
Sanguina Dieudonne wrote:

I suspect that my words will fall on deaf ears on the part of Nauplius. To the rest of the Cluster:
The Sani Faith is open to all. There is no racial prejudice or bigotry. Everyone is called to Salvation and anyone can achieve it.


Some months ago, I told a story about how one of my Minmatar slaves achieved salvation. It is uncommon, but possible.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#57 - 2015-03-04 23:35:46 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
What does it even matter. He can't ever be actually stopped, and for every thousand saved a hundred thousand are killed.


I agree. Give up. Cease your attempts to rescue slaves from "deathcans"; close down your "matriculation centers" and "arcologies" filled with recovering slaves. Accept that these beings exist only to glorify God in their destruction and stand not in the way of those of us who understand this.
Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#58 - 2015-03-04 23:47:33 UTC
His true warriors will always stand against you, His light will always shun you, His divinity will always be denied to you.

And we, His true warriors, will one day end you, you are nothing but filth of the cluster, you are less then a traitor, you are not even worthy of a title, you are nothing, you are nobody, but a pathetic coward, and you will accomplish nothing, for every tower you raise we tear down, for every person you execute we bring 10 into His light, for every act of cowardice, you give us more reasons to end you, and i assure you, that day will come, and i hope i am the one to tear you out of your capsule, and eviscerate your miserable body from existence and wipe your pathetic name from the history of New Eden, none will know your name or atrocities, and you will never be welcome in His divine kingdom, traitor amongst traitors!

"By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the first, 12:32

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#59 - 2015-03-04 23:50:34 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Now we should be getting off the sidelines and launching humanitarian interventions in Amarr territory?

I think you might rather we didn't.




Surely a capsuleer with such vast power and auspices can grant welcome assistance to those that need it, regardless of faith or nation?
Why do you hide behind your politics?


You apparently don't get it.

It isn't "hiding behind politics" to acknowledge that one's "assistance" isn't welcome everywhere in the cluster. As fond as we Gallente are of helping the downtrodden, others in the Cluster are just as dedicated to telling us to "mind our own business." Our Caldari and Amarrian neighbors foremost among them.

Its a bit duplicitous to on one hand castigate the Federation for intervening where it isn't welcome, then turn around and yowl about "condemning from the sidelines" and not getting directly involved.

Moreover, should the Federation decide to start launching military operations against human rights atrocities in the Amarr Empire we would be unlikely to stop with Nauplius.


You misinterpret.
You are a capsuleer, you are not barred by the arbitrary lines of territory drawn between the empires. Your ability to assist transcends nations and ethnicity.
Even if you are unwelcome, or feel so, you can still make a generous donation to someone who can help, yes?
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#60 - 2015-03-05 00:11:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Karmilla Strife
Nauplius wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
What does it even matter. He can't ever be actually stopped, and for every thousand saved a hundred thousand are killed.


I agree. Give up. Cease your attempts to rescue slaves from "deathcans"; close down your "matriculation centers" and "arcologies" filled with recovering slaves. Accept that these beings exist only to glorify God in their destruction and stand not in the way of those of us who understand this.


I find it very interesting that you are interested in these subjects.

Once upon a time there was an individual with an unorthodox opinion about what to do with slaves. He posted his opinions about minmatar on these very forums and sought to get attention for his deeds by posting on the same forums every minor deed he felt that he had accomplished. Whenever those who opposed him disrupted his operations he made a point of guilt-tripping the offended parties about the deaths they caused.

You yourself are an individual with an unorthodox opinion about what to do with slaves. You post you opinions about minmatar in these very forums and seek to gain attention for your deeds by posting on these same forums every minor deed you feel that you accomplish. Whenever those who oppose you disrupt your operations, you make a point of guilt-tripping the offended parties about the deaths they cause.

It would be terribly unoriginal if these two unaffiliated parties shared the same goals. Fortunately for the both of you, for every Slave Butcher, there is a Slave Collector.