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[Proposal] Get rid of learning implants.
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#141 - 2011-12-09 05:54:46 UTC
Velin Dhal wrote:
Andski wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Meh. I got podded the day before Crucible and lost three +4s. It's entirely possible to simply choose to accept the risk of losing those implants. Also, don't shove every implant in your head that will fit. Only buy what you need.

You might as well propose removing all expensive implants as well. Faction sets cost a lot of isk and no one wants to risk those in nullsec, so let's just drop them from the game to save you from jumping clones.


Newbies don't generally have the option to only plug in two implants based on what they're training, though.

Please read the OP instead of blindly extrapolating from the first two sentences.


They do if they train cybernetics and run missions to get the isk. There is no reason you should have everything handed to you just because your a noob.


I'm saying that new players don't follow hyperoptimized skillplans focused on two attributes. "Only buy what you need" doesn't really apply.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#142 - 2011-12-09 05:57:25 UTC
Velin Dhal wrote:
That is part of the risk of living in an area with no law. Why exactly shouldn't there be disadvantages to living in 0.0 ? Seeming that the pros far outweigh the cons.

Not to mention that if someone JCs to highsec before an Op, they are morons. Plain and simple. If someone JCs to highsec to train in +5 implants.....well, they can do that sitting in any one of your numerous station systems.


Can you tell me the pros of living in nullsec?

Increased income? High-sec L4s and incursions have marginally lower payouts with substantially decreased risk.
Safe, secure sov space? Sure, and the risk of losing everything when you lose your space and it gets trapped in a station, with no way out but spies or retaking.

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Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#143 - 2011-12-09 05:59:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
Velin Dhal wrote:
Andski wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Meh. I got podded the day before Crucible and lost three +4s. It's entirely possible to simply choose to accept the risk of losing those implants. Also, don't shove every implant in your head that will fit. Only buy what you need.

You might as well propose removing all expensive implants as well. Faction sets cost a lot of isk and no one wants to risk those in nullsec, so let's just drop them from the game to save you from jumping clones.


Newbies don't generally have the option to only plug in two implants based on what they're training, though.

Please read the OP instead of blindly extrapolating from the first two sentences.


They do if they train cybernetics and run missions to get the isk. There is no reason you should have everything handed to you just because your a noob.


I'm saying that new players don't follow hyperoptimized skillplans focused on two attributes. "Only buy what you need" doesn't really apply.


That is very true. However, if they join a corp or alliance instead of sitting in noob corp forever, they could learn from more experienced players. That was how I learned to play this game when I first joined. If your talking about what is best for new players, then we need to consider a way to teach them to play and how to train skills. Not eliminate parts of the game to make life easier for them.
Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#144 - 2011-12-09 06:04:03 UTC
Zenedia wrote:
Im in favor of flat rate to train 1x skill, everything is a multiple thereof. I've dealt with and said many times that I cannot do XXX because I'm remapped as YYY/ZZZ for the next QQQ months.


Honestly, you should know what your doing before you blindly remap. The point of remapping is to gain a bonus to something while taking a penalty on another thing. If you don't know how remapping works you probably shouldn't be doing it.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2011-12-09 07:07:02 UTC
meh give everyone permanent +5s and i wont complain
Nullbeard Rager
Doomheim
#146 - 2011-12-09 09:16:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nullbeard Rager
Andski wrote:
Alexander Jabez wrote:
Lol if "look how dumb you are" is the best retort you have I think this battle of wits goes to him.


I don't engage in "battles of wit" with cowards hiding behind forum alts.


Because no one is sneaky in EVE amirite?

Gosh you are SOOOO cool for being a nullbear ranger living a life of virtual danger AND calling people cowards...in a video game.

Roll

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Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#147 - 2011-12-09 09:42:32 UTC
I'm on the fence about this proposal... I don't want to see EVE made too easy, but I'm all for faster training times via an attribute boost.


Though I will chime in to say that seeing all these forum warriors post with alts is pretty funny Lol
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#148 - 2011-12-09 10:09:05 UTC
Nullbeard Rager wrote:
Andski wrote:
Alexander Jabez wrote:
Lol if "look how dumb you are" is the best retort you have I think this battle of wits goes to him.


I don't engage in "battles of wit" with cowards hiding behind forum alts.


Because no one is sneaky in EVE amirite?

Gosh you are SOOOO cool for being a nullbear ranger living a life of virtual danger AND calling people cowards...in a video game.

Roll


ah, that's what they call it nowadays, it's not aversion to being known as a terrible poster, you're just being ~sneaky~

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#149 - 2011-12-09 15:04:21 UTC
Andski wrote:
I'm saying that new players don't follow hyperoptimized skillplans focused on two attributes. "Only buy what you need" doesn't really apply.


No, but new players are also generally using +3s at most, have ****-poor attribute maps (I know I did) and aren't generally operating on anything resembling a plan. If we're going to base everything in this on what players do in their first few months, I've got some suggestions...

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Amarr Champine
Doomheim
#150 - 2011-12-09 22:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarr Champine
Andski wrote:
Alexander Jabez wrote:
Lol if "look how dumb you are" is the best retort you have I think this battle of wits goes to him.


I don't engage in "battles of wit" with cowards hiding behind forum alts.



Lawls. In any case, its internet spaceshipz and some guy hiding behind a PC calling me a coward doesn't offend me. =)

If perhaps the topic of discussion was getting rid of forum alts, then I or anyone else would care about your weak comeback. In this case, it isn't. Its about goons seemingly trying to ruin/kill the very game they play. Its sad. On the matter of cowards, grow a pair and buy some +5s if you are living in null. Problem solved! Perhaps this no-name forum alt should run for CSM. =P

If any of you want to p**s and moan about forums alts, then post another topic and maybe CCP can try what blizzard tried. Make everyone post with their real name. Forum would probably be barren of insults then.

Happy Holidays.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2011-12-09 22:36:24 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Andski wrote:
I'm saying that new players don't follow hyperoptimized skillplans focused on two attributes. "Only buy what you need" doesn't really apply.


No, but new players are also generally using +3s at most, have ****-poor attribute maps (I know I did) and aren't generally operating on anything resembling a plan. If we're going to base everything in this on what players do in their first few months, I've got some suggestions...


Visual skill trees ala Diablo 2 without needing Evemon would be pretty cool for newbies.

Right now it's just a bunch of books and show info.

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Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#152 - 2011-12-10 19:41:01 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Andski wrote:
I'm saying that new players don't follow hyperoptimized skillplans focused on two attributes. "Only buy what you need" doesn't really apply.


No, but new players are also generally using +3s at most, have ****-poor attribute maps (I know I did) and aren't generally operating on anything resembling a plan. If we're going to base everything in this on what players do in their first few months, I've got some suggestions...


Visual skill trees ala Diablo 2 without needing Evemon would be pretty cool for newbies.

Right now it's just a bunch of books and show info.


If you want skill trees layed out for you then go play WoW or Rift.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#153 - 2011-12-10 21:25:52 UTC
Velin Dhal wrote:
If you want skill trees layed out for you then go play WoW or Rift.


"Go play this other game, EVE should be undocumented and bad"

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Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#154 - 2011-12-11 00:28:41 UTC
Andski wrote:
Velin Dhal wrote:
If you want skill trees layed out for you then go play WoW or Rift.


"Go play this other game, EVE should be undocumented and bad"


EVE is in no way undocumented or bad. EVE is fairly unique and should stay that way. I'm sorry if people want the game to be "dumbed down" because they are incapable of understanding something more complex than a game that has your plan laid out for you from day 1.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#155 - 2011-12-11 00:30:42 UTC
Velin Dhal wrote:
Andski wrote:
Velin Dhal wrote:
If you want skill trees layed out for you then go play WoW or Rift.


"Go play this other game, EVE should be undocumented and bad"


EVE is in no way undocumented or bad. EVE is fairly unique and should stay that way. I'm sorry if people want the game to be "dumbed down" because they are incapable of understanding something more complex than a game that has your plan laid out for you from day 1.


btw, the game already has this, they're called "certificates." go unsub over CCP dumbing it down.

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Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#156 - 2011-12-11 00:37:09 UTC
Andski wrote:
Velin Dhal wrote:
Andski wrote:
Velin Dhal wrote:
If you want skill trees layed out for you then go play WoW or Rift.


"Go play this other game, EVE should be undocumented and bad"


EVE is in no way undocumented or bad. EVE is fairly unique and should stay that way. I'm sorry if people want the game to be "dumbed down" because they are incapable of understanding something more complex than a game that has your plan laid out for you from day 1.


btw, the game already has this, they're called "certificates." go unsub over CCP dumbing it down.


The certificate planner is not what he was talking about. Go unsub over not understanding the context of the discussion.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#157 - 2011-12-11 00:53:00 UTC
Then go yell at EVEMon's developers?

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tEcHnOkRaT
WipeOut Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#158 - 2011-12-11 05:23:06 UTC
and if u remove the learning implants u can also remove the costs for re-upgrading ur clone.(or remove the clone feature altogether) cuz if u can calculate ur loses only in ship cost alot more peapole would stop being carebears and start some pvp
Goose99
#159 - 2011-12-11 05:53:18 UTC
tEcHnOkRaT wrote:
and if u remove the learning implants u can also remove the costs for re-upgrading ur clone.(or remove the clone feature altogether) cuz if u can calculate ur loses only in ship cost alot more peapole would stop being carebears and start some pvp


And thus, consequence is removed from Eve.Cool
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#160 - 2011-12-11 07:03:07 UTC
tEcHnOkRaT wrote:
and if u remove the learning implants u can also remove the costs for re-upgrading ur clone.(or remove the clone feature altogether) cuz if u can calculate ur loses only in ship cost alot more peapole would stop being carebears and start some pvp


god no

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