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What?

I like the idea.
It is a bit radical, but it is simple. Simple things tend to work.

Not supported. But I would support eliminating the timer on same-station clone swaps.

once upon a time my corp lived in nullsec and we had a ball with small-scale pvp

then i got my first set of +4s and got so freaked out about losing them that i froze in a bubble instead of burning for it, like id trained to do from my first step into GW. needless to say, i got podded and lost them all. it took that loss to show me how stupid id been about it all. im not in a terrible hurry for level 5 anything, so what difference does it make?

since then, i havent plugged in a single implant, training times be damned. im a much happier pod-pilot now, btw, and pod kills mean little more than a nice quick ride home, haha.

as to the OPs suggestion, i like it. makes nice simple sense to me...


oh, and i secretly think the guys in my corp get a little rise out of it when they hear on TS that their only verified female corp-mate is 'flying naked'

Kinda want... Not sure though.

Not supported.

Losing the ship is one level of hurt, losing the imped clone should remain a second one. That argument "it would remove a barrier to PvP" fails when looking at the REALLY expensive implant sets - the typical learning implants are just a pittance compared to the values a number of players (even PvPers) have in their skulls.

"Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" - you can extend that sentence to your implants as well.

Surprised to see this request coming from the Goon camp. That said, i like this side of them \o/ . This is indeed a logical request. Many times have I given up on a nights worth of pvp, as those 24 hours with sub-par implants in my throw away combat clone, just seem a waste of training time.

Is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. +5 base to all. everyone's a winner (in some cases there will be whiners, there always are)

Definitly an idea i think is worthy for more discussion & consideration.

Sweet troll thread. Thanks for the laugh guys.

Look, Eve is about choices. With implants you have a lot, esp. since jump clones came about. First, +3 and +4 are pretty cheap. The older the player, the more true this is. Second, you only ever use two of these implants at a time. If you remap focusing on two attributes, then you only need two implants. You can also mix and match. You can do a +5 and a +4 for near maximum training yet a risk worth taking. You can do a +4 and a +3 for a little boost over +3s.

For crying out loud, don’t fly in low/nullsec with a full set. When I was out there I just used two +3s, had spares, and kept them with my jump clone. It’s not a big deal.


The costs are fairly high for +5s. The costs for +3s is high for a new player. There is an easy fix for that. Lower the costs of implants, release +6s and +7s at the current +5 price, and call it a day. This also doesn’t address the +5% implants. The problem is the same there. It gives a direct boost at a high price that gives an incentive to stay in highsec. Again, a person has the same options and the same problems.


People are not patient. All the time I see posts about increasing learning speed, getting back skill points, giving people unallocated skill points, letting people (through an obscure method) buy skill points. This whole thread is a “we want to train faster” thread. That is never going to change. Attribute implants are just a scapegoat that people can focus on.

Since learning skills where removed attribute implants are the next target. This will either force everyone to train more slowly, give everyone maximum training speeds, or end up somewhere in the middle. The next target is attributes themselves, and people are already clamoring about removing those. After that, all people can ask for is faster training time. Why? Because they ran out of targets/scapegoats.


All the time I see complaints about highsec mission runners, incursion fleets, trading, etc. We used to see complaints about highsec mining until ganking became so common. Those who live in highsec are always going to be more likely to use expensive gear, high priced ships, and *gasp* costly implants. That leads me to my next point…


Make them easy and cheap to produce out in nullsec. Heck, make them illegal in empire. Sure some will smuggle them in, but at a nice profit level, increasing the rewards of nullsec. Make them last 24hrs (boosted to 48 w/ skills). If you die while under the influence of these, who cares? They would lose their effect soon and need to be replaced anyway. You could change them more often than a remap too. Heck, then use +2s with these and get a cheap boost.


We should have a choice of how we train. There should be ways to increase and optimize that rate at an expense and risk. Individuals should be in control of this tradeoff. Those who deem the risk too high have made their choice; that choice should not affect anyone else’s.


A secondary reason is that they are a good ISK/LP sinks and serve as a “highsec tax” as it were. With 6 clones, 5 slots, and most of the population in highsec, it has to be a huge ISK and LP sink. Just removing it from the game when there are not enough ISK/LP sinks is a bad idea.

I'd say most people would be happy with the ability to pay plex to release skill points. Most of us made a lot of mistakes early on and could free up anywhere from 1-3 million SP if there were a way to do so.

It takes about 3.5 million SP to train a new racial battleship with T2 weapons (assuming you have the requisite support skills). That's frigate, cruiser, and battleship 4, and all of the weapon systems skill required for the large T2 skill at level 4. With +4 implants it takes two months to be able to change from one set of ships to another. For those of us who have been playing less than 2 years, that's a substantial percentage of our time in the game spent training skills we won't use. And then there are the L5 command skills necessary for T2/T3 ships.

I'm expanding my command skills to other races right now and I admit, I'm getting impatient. It's going to take a long time for me to reap the rewards of training all these skills. Meanwhile, SP I wasted in my noob days go unused. So yeah, I'd use up some PLEX to get SP back if it were available.

I wouldn't want to be able to buy SP; that would be potentially game-breaking and definitely a step too close to pay-to-win.