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Dev blog: Politics by Other Means: Sovereignty Phase Two

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2561 - 2015-03-05 19:01:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Jenn aSide wrote:
Senyu Takashi wrote:



Minig belts? Making stuff and selling it on trade hubs? Allow line members and smaller corps in your alliance to own reaction POSes? How about industry, invention and ancient relic invention(since slots are gone there shouldnt be a problem with "not enough stations")? Maybe allowing neuts to dock in your stations and trade with you instead of just exporting moon goo?

You know, red crosses arent the only source of income in this game.


I don't run any alliance so none of that applies to me.

"shooting red Xs" is the primary income making mechanic in null. "Do industry" is not a solution to the combat anomaly problems lol.



Jenn you are very experienced in the Various sites and anomalies, across null.

Would you be able to present to your CSM rep to pass to CCP, the sites, that have issues and problems, that either reward badly for the time taken, or unrealistically lengthen the time you require, with low reward exposed in space, and what about those sites are the issues, to allow the PVE team to resolve them one by one without having to hunt them out?

This would benefit everyone operating in null to one degree or another, fairly improve the income, and help provide some carrot to go with the changes?

Hope you do not mind me suggesting it.


Fixed quoting. ISD Ezwal.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
RONA Directorate
#2562 - 2015-03-05 19:03:22 UTC
Ahhh more tears and actually tons of feed back.

Ok, my 2 cents, or 2 isk.


1. This new system allows tons of trolling from wh space.
2. freeports offer too many docking games and station games. Those suck, please rethink this idea.
3. Offlining station services at that point is way too easy please rethink that one.
4. Hacking in should not be a flat rate, the time it takes to hack into it should be based on the developed infostructure adn the amount of defenses the defending alliance has. So the more developed the system the longer it takes to take it down.


Final thoughts. 0.0 is not meant to be a safe haven where you can sit rat and get rich. We need a sov overhaul definately but what has been proposed is probably not the best solution. There are a lot of great ideas but..... it needs a lot of renfinement, especially since it is still a numbers game. Larger alliances can spread out and defend easier and the attack still has an even larger uphill battle as they have to spread out to take a system.

CCP- As a PR person you should post at least once every 20 pages to let people know you are still reading.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.

Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#2563 - 2015-03-05 19:06:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Apol
Gypsien Agittain wrote:
As long as you think a group of 1k people against 40k can do anything you'll be obliterated as the talis. You're not more than a terrorist group against the big motherf USA of New Eden. Keep on deliring while you stick to npc null, or try to get sov and get obliterated on your way.

As long as you think that there's any conceivable reason for the 40k people to go out of their way and spend their time actually harassing that 1k in a futile task that will be instantly reversible almost as soon as they turn their backs - when instead they could be actually dealing with their primary competitors - then their fear propoganda is working on you.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#2564 - 2015-03-05 19:06:41 UTC
coming soon this summer: Minigames Online

I don't like the SOV handling it 1 bit, I already don't live in null due to politics of people going "this is just a game so I can shoot at blues and take over friendly alliance and no one can do any thing to me."
while yes I know this is a game and we all know how much eve pilots LOVE the hacking minigames. the people that hold the sov will keep it and the people that want to attack it wont because they will not like doing the minigame of hacking and capturing the nodes.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Phoenix Jones
The Markoni Dragons
#2565 - 2015-03-05 19:07:11 UTC
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
Ahhh more tears and actually tons of feed back.

Ok, my 2 cents, or 2 isk.


1. This new system allows tons of trolling from wh space.
2. freeports offer too many docking games and station games. Those suck, please rethink this idea.
3. Offlining station services at that point is way too easy please rethink that one.
4. Hacking in should not be a flat rate, the time it takes to hack into it should be based on the developed infostructure adn the amount of defenses the defending alliance has. So the more developed the system the longer it takes to take it down.


Final thoughts. 0.0 is not meant to be a safe haven where you can sit rat and get rich. We need a sov overhaul definately but what has been proposed is probably not the best solution. There are a lot of great ideas but..... it needs a lot of renfinement, especially since it is still a numbers game. Larger alliances can spread out and defend easier and the attack still has an even larger uphill battle as they have to spread out to take a system.

CCP- As a PR person you should post at least once every 20 pages to let people know you are still reading.



I can comment on the wormhole groups with this change. Local still enabled? No thanks keep your sov, just sacrifice for BoB

I agree with the Freeport issue, which I think docking should have fees that go into escrow and paid to the person/group who finally takes over the station (so someone is going to lose isk for playing games).

Yaay!!!!

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#2566 - 2015-03-05 19:07:43 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:
Gypsien Agittain wrote:
As long as you think a group of 1k people against 40k can do anything you'll be obliterated as the talis. You're not more than a terrorist group against the big motherf USA of New Eden. Keep on deliring while you stick to npc null, or try to get sov and get obliterated on your way.

As long as you think that there's any conceivable reason for the 40k people to go out of their way and spend their time actually harassing that 1k when they could be actually dealing with their competitors instead then the fear propoganda is working on you.


been there, seen that, been on the bad side of it

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

flakeys
Doomheim
#2567 - 2015-03-05 19:08:28 UTC
TarPalantir I wrote:
Tar-Palantir is a pretty much life long member of Evolution. That means he has been in BoB, IT, INIT, 401K, and now NCdot alliances. All of them had different ways of fighting, scale, and approaches to the Sov side of Null-Sec. What most had in common is that they fought Wars. Not fights, not battles, but Wars and all that comes with it - the logistics, the attacks, counter attacks, new strategies, new doctrines, new allies, new enemies, months and months of constant fighting towards a *goal*. That is Tar-Palantir's passion. Whether NCdot holds sov or not Tar-Palantir doesn't care per se - as long as NCdot still fights Wars Tar-Palantir will remain active. So what he wants most out of a Sov system is something that allows not just fighting, not just roaming gangs, but Wars. For that to work, the Attacker must be able to threaten stuff effectively, but the Defender must also be confident enough in their ability to defend their Sov that they invest in their Sov space and put assets there. With that investment there, when an attacker comes, it is worth fighting to defend rather than just running away.

Being Tar-Palantir, his thoughts about the new Sov system turned into a rather massive Wall of Textâ„¢. Such a massive Wall of of Textâ„¢ isn't a good fit for a forum discussion - it just chews up too much space. So instead of inserting the whole thing here it is publish on EN24 as those type of sites make more sense for something that long and wordy.

External link to EN24 article - http://evenews24.com/2015/03/05/tar-palantirs-take-on-the-proposed-sovereignty-changes/

So that you'll have a slight idea what Tar-Palantir is talking about he will put a VERY brief summary of some of the main points here. You have the main article link if that interests you.

1. The risk/resources/benefit structure is very heavily tilted in favor of the attacker. It doesn't mean the attacker will always win, just that the attacker can put forth minimal effort and resources - low risk - and cause massive problems/grief for the defender.

2. Properly executed Blitzkrieg attacks even between = number alliances can result in the defender looking at losing most/all of their Sov in a 3 day time span based on about 6-7 hours of game play.

3. The Prime Time vulnerability Window is very, very, very limiting.

4. Removing the Prime Time Vulnerability window makes being the defender utter insanity and more than a little frustrating.

6. (yes, skipping 5) - Large numbers are even more critical than ever for defense. Small powers can threaten and even take Sov due to the imbalances mentioned in #1, but they are very unlikely to be able to hold it.

Some Sov ideas/concepts mostly from the old POS system that Tar-Palantir considers useful for thinking about the design of a Sov system. Yes, Tar-Palantir believes the old POS system, for all its flaws, was far better than both Dominion Sov and this new proposal.



Talking about yourself in third person , CREEPY.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Alli Ginthur
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2568 - 2015-03-05 19:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Alli Ginthur
Eli Apol wrote:
Gypsien Agittain wrote:
As long as you think a group of 1k people against 40k can do anything you'll be obliterated as the talis. You're not more than a terrorist group against the big motherf USA of New Eden. Keep on deliring while you stick to npc null, or try to get sov and get obliterated on your way.

As long as you think that there's any conceivable reason for the 40k people to go out of their way and spend their time actually harassing that 1k in a futile task that will be instantly reversible almost as soon as they turn their backs - when instead they could be actually dealing with their primary competitors instead - then their fear propoganda is working on you.

Because a) if they're trying to or taking sov, aren't they at that point competitors? and b) "because screw you" isnt a valid eve reason for anything? Roll
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2569 - 2015-03-05 19:11:42 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
Ahhh more tears and actually tons of feed back.

Ok, my 2 cents, or 2 isk.


1. This new system allows tons of trolling from wh space.
2. freeports offer too many docking games and station games. Those suck, please rethink this idea.
3. Offlining station services at that point is way too easy please rethink that one.
4. Hacking in should not be a flat rate, the time it takes to hack into it should be based on the developed infostructure adn the amount of defenses the defending alliance has. So the more developed the system the longer it takes to take it down.


Final thoughts. 0.0 is not meant to be a safe haven where you can sit rat and get rich. We need a sov overhaul definately but what has been proposed is probably not the best solution. There are a lot of great ideas but..... it needs a lot of renfinement, especially since it is still a numbers game. Larger alliances can spread out and defend easier and the attack still has an even larger uphill battle as they have to spread out to take a system.

CCP- As a PR person you should post at least once every 20 pages to let people know you are still reading.



I can comment on the wormhole groups with this change. Local still enabled? No thanks keep your sov, just sacrifice for BoB

I agree with the Freeport issue, which I think docking should have fees that go into escrow and paid to the person/group who finally takes over the station (so someone is going to lose isk for playing games).



I share your views here, sure we will have some new opportunities, and certainly will enjoy the confusion and maybe adding a bit of mayhem just for fun. But as for owning sov? Nah, don't want to hang around that long.

Just a few sacrifices for BOB will be good.

A live, vibrant, active, occupied nullsec, Gives us much more opportunity for fun, we don't want to take that away from them.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Kaliba Mort
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#2570 - 2015-03-05 19:14:37 UTC
POS Warfare

CCP, please get your geniuses together and look at how POS Warfare worked. How it actually worked. To hold sov, you had to use space - towers had to be online. You had to protect these towers. They were vulnerable 24/7 with little notice - defenders had to be on the ball and could do something, even if it only was using POS guns or setting timers, it was a 27/7 affair. Attackers could kite timers to throw off active defenders. Attackers had to invest in attacking space. It was far more dynamic than dominion sov. Heck, attackers didn't even have to attack anything - they could just online some towers - use the space more and then it was up to the defenders to attack the attackers.

There were strategies and counter strategies. Each system was unique.

Actually go to a white board, and write out how stuff worked with POS warfare. Maybe you'll realize that it was better than dominion sov which sadly is better than what you are proposing.

Space herpes + roam sov does not make it better. When attackers don't even have to invest an HOUR of their time to troll you.
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#2571 - 2015-03-05 19:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Apol
Alli Ginthur wrote:
Eli Apol wrote:
Gypsien Agittain wrote:
As long as you think a group of 1k people against 40k can do anything you'll be obliterated as the talis. You're not more than a terrorist group against the big motherf USA of New Eden. Keep on deliring while you stick to npc null, or try to get sov and get obliterated on your way.

As long as you think that there's any conceivable reason for the 40k people to go out of their way and spend their time actually harassing that 1k in a futile task that will be instantly reversible almost as soon as they turn their backs - when instead they could be actually dealing with their primary competitors instead - then their fear propoganda is working on you.

Because a) if they're trying to or taking sov, aren't they at that point competitors? and b) "because screw you" isnt a valid eve reason for anything? Roll

Sure they'll troll... but considering that their 'trolling' consists of orbitting a structure for 40 minutes then returning 2 days later and having to do it another 10 times - with or without hostiles in system with them.

...and then two days later you flip it straight back because they don't live locally and have no intention of holding it and so didn't grind up the indices or have anyone show up to your velator.

How many days are they gonna keep up this epic trollolololol for whilst also defending their own space during primetime (which I've already suggested should be a much longer period for large alliances).

Phoenix Jones wrote:
I can comment on the wormhole groups with this change. Local still enabled? No thanks keep your sov, just sacrifice for BoB

I agree with the Freeport issue, which I think docking should have fees that go into escrow and paid to the person/group who finally takes over the station (so someone is going to lose isk for playing games).

Local only during primetime please :)

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Basil Pupkin
Strategic Incompetence
#2572 - 2015-03-05 19:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Jenn aSide wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:


A hotdrop will kill you so easily they won't even have time to laugh at you.

Funny thing that, I haven't died yet.

Have you tried it? Rhetorical question, we know the answer is no lol.

Quote:

And efficiency of that fit is on par with... I dunno, the only thing that bad... I don't know anything that bad, actually.
I mean, you can get something with THAT (in)efficiency for at most 1/7 of your hull price. Which is why that whole idea is looking like stupid and dumb already.


So, you don't understand what you are looking at, don't know how well it works or how much isk per hour it makes (hint, it's more than an afktar) and yet you think it's dumb. You sir are brilliant.

The point of that and my other anti-afk fits is that , rather than docking up and doing nothing, you get to keep ratting (thus making isk and keep getting chances at escalations). It does make less than my pve fit rattlesnake, but m,aking some isk is better than making none.


Quote:

Also, fit me an anti-afk barge. You know, the thing you can't keep indy rating without. And don't wink at the mining frigs, they suck. Barges suck as well, but less.

I don't mind how many less-than-bright people can't acknowledge it, but AFK cloaking is the problem, and it's going to be 20x more of a problem in this system.


EFT is free, fit your own anti-afk mining ship.

Secondly, the above poster is a good example of WHY afk cloakers in null (and gankers in high sec) exist in the 1st place. People with this loser "I'm not even going to try to defend myself or think outside the box, I'm just gonna ask ccp to fix it for me" mentality are the only reason afk cloaking (and high sec ganking) are effective psychological tools. Without this kind of mental weakness, the afk cloaker/gankers/bumpers of the world wouldn't even be playing EVE because their would be no prey for them.

So, keep on crying to CCP to fix a "problem" I've already fixed for myself (and you could too, if you weren't lazy), that begging ccp to help you has been so effective over the last 6 years (since 'afk cloaking' became a real thing).


Of course I won't try it, it's stupid.

I can tell an order of magnitude how much per tick it makes. About 2.5 million. It doesn't have damage application for lower sites, it doesn't have tank for higher ones, not at the range it's supposed to work. Curators are pretty useless since at 20 you won't hit a battleship reliably and already in faloff at 30.
And worst of all, you would still die like a ****** to a hotdrop at least as good as my dog at eve.

You can do better in a Vexor, and nobody*Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal. would hotdrop a Vexor.

There is no anti-afk barge fit so it's not surprising you dodged the question altogether*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. You didn't fix anything, nobody just hotdropped you yet because they are lazy.

Just to fix that, what system are you in?

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.

Seraph IX Basarab
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#2573 - 2015-03-05 19:21:06 UTC
What is important to remember is that this game isn't divided between attackers and defenders. So saying "attacker gets all the advantages" is meaningless. This game is divided between CFC, N3, and various other sov holding entities all of which have the same potential to be an aggressor. If 1 person can bring a ceptor to harass sov, why can't the defender bring 1 to nullify it? Why wouldn't they be able to bring 1 to nullify it and a few of his buddies to push the attacker off?

For people that like small gang highspeed frig warfare and the ability to pursue asymmetric warfare this will be great.

For the nullbear that has all his stuff in some empty corner of space where he's afk ratting 23/7, this may be a concern.

+1 to sov changes from me.
Dirk MacGirk
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
#2574 - 2015-03-05 19:24:03 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:
Dirk MacGirk wrote:
Well if the goal is to allow any single pilot to ring the doorbell or even reinforce a structure in 40 minutes, then I guess there is no way around the fact that it will get abused on a grand scale. Sovereignty warfare is not, nor should it be, the domain of any individual pilot to accomplish. If you can't get past a POS then you probably shouldn't be trying to get into the sovwar game. That's just my opinion of course, and I will await to see the abuse that results from thinking that it should be. Because if any single pilot has the capability of doing so, then thousands will organize just to show just how broken that mechanic truly is.

On the contrary - sov should not be holdable by people that can't even respond within 40 minutes to a single ship ringing their doorbell and asking if they're in - and - if they are in, what are they willing to commit right there and then to forcing them off grid?

Yes it's gonna be 'griefable' but I don't really see the joy for the griefers.

All this threat of goons being able to troll the whole of nullsec is them simply showing their fear that they won't be able to drop their whole blob across every single one of their systems in defence and will have to split up into multiple locally based groups to protect their key areas from spawning 10n command points every couple of days.

Yes they can try and steamroller across the whole of null if they want to - but it's a completely futile exercise unless they then commit to grinding up the indices and actually defending it from thereon. It will just get flipped straight back 2 days later.


The joy for griefers, in a game of alts, is griefing and/or annoyance of others. It doesn't require anything past that point to give them joy.

And griefers don't have to care about taking it to the second stage of playing the capture the flag mini-game. Ringing that doorbell and then getting out of harms ways in 2-5 minutes is more than enough. Anyone willing to take it to the next level after reinforcing a structure is just fine by me. Maybe that would show they were serious about it. But opening it up to the one will open it up to the other. I guess we need to decide if that is ultimately good game play.

And you can use "grr goons, they must be scurred," all you like. I'm sure they may not like it for :reasons: that nobody should care about. But that shouldn't be used as an excuse for why the details of this proposal that will be gamed shouldn't be considered. Goons aren't wrong just because they are goons. They just happen to know how they would game it if given the opportunity.
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2575 - 2015-03-05 19:26:35 UTC
Devi Loches wrote:
The goal of defense isn't to bait attackers to fight, it's the other way around. Sitting at zero with anything for defense is basically iceberging. The goal isn't to create more camping, but actual fights. Interceptors are one way to show that this does not actually create dynamic fights.


If you actually want to provoke dynamic fights, don't bring a fleet comp that can be so easily countered by a couple of cruisers parked at 0?

It will be easy to provoke a dynamic fight with this system; just bring an actual fleet that has a chance of successfully controlling the grid long enough to flip something. The defenders will be forced to mobilize an actual response fleet that can fight you for grid control, and relatively quickly too.

If the attacker actually WANTS to provoke a fight, they won't be using interceptor fleets on sov harassment roams. They'll bring something meaty and put it on the line. If you fly sov harassment in interceptor fleets, you weren't looking for a fight in the first place, and we all know it.
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#2576 - 2015-03-05 19:27:52 UTC
Dirk MacGirk wrote:
The joy for griefers, in a game of alts, is griefing and/or annoyance of others. It doesn't require anything past that point to give them joy.

And griefers don't have to care about taking it to the second stage of playing the capture the flag mini-game. Ringing that doorbell and then getting out of harms ways in 2-5 minutes is more than enough. Anyone willing to take it to the next level after reinforcing a structure is just fine by me. Maybe that would show they were serious about it. But opening it up to the one will open it up to the other. I guess we need to decide if that is ultimately good game play.

And you can use "grr goons, they must be scurred," all you like. I'm sure they may not like it for :reasons: that nobody should care about. But that shouldn't be used as an excuse for why the details of this proposal that will be gamed shouldn't be considered. Goons aren't wrong just because they are goons. They just happen to know how they would game it if given the opportunity.

It's very limited annoyance for the defender if he's locally based in the first place.

"Oh me oh my I have to undock and do one warp oh woe is me"

Versus

"Oh me oh my I have to chase this guy all over all my region because everyone else is afk ratting"

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2577 - 2015-03-05 19:31:26 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:

Sure they'll troll... but considering that their 'trolling' consists of orbitting a structure for 40 minutes then returning 2 days later and having to do it another 10 times - with or without hostiles in system with them.

...and then two days later you flip it straight back because they don't live locally and have no intention of holding it and so didn't grind up the indices or have anyone show up to your velator.

How many days are they gonna keep up this epic trollolololol for whilst also defending their own space during primetime (which I've already suggested should be a much longer period for large alliances).


This describes the last decade of bashing towers all to well.
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#2578 - 2015-03-05 19:33:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Basil Pupkin wrote:


Of course I won't try it, it's stupid.

I can tell an order of magnitude how much per tick it makes. About 2.5 million. It doesn't have damage application for lower sites, it doesn't have tank for higher ones, not at the range it's supposed to work. Curators are pretty useless since at 20 you won't hit a battleship reliably and already in faloff at 30.
And worst of all, you would still die like a ****** to a hotdrop at least as good as my dog at eve.

You can do better in a Vexor, and nobody *Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal. would hotdrop a Vexor.

There is no anti-afk barge fit so it's not surprising you dodged the question *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.. You didn't fix anything, nobody just hotdropped you yet because they are lazy.

Just to fix that, what system are you in?


Lol, someone doens't evne know the stats of Curators. Those are the ranges of GARDES you have there brilliant guy,


Ok, now you're just trolling. My afk phoon makes 70 mil per hour (more than an afktar) in havens, forsaken hubs and forsaken rally points of all races. you blap frigs in one shot with sentries as they approach (you warp at 50). Takes a while to lock but that's ok.

This clears the way for the FoF missiles (for they don't waste dps on frigs) and they apply just fine to NPC crusiers and battleships.
The sentries are firing a little bit into fall off on the battleships for a while (this they close to their orbiting range of usually 45-50km for ships like corpus popes and the like of each race, but most BSs are approaching (zero traversal) so it's fine.

The ship is passively aligned to a pos or station (so the MJD can help you insta warp. Some decloaks on you, you spam the MJD (which makes him bumping you noting). It it's a ship with a scram to keep you from MJDing but not enough to keep you from warping you warp. If he does have enough points to keep you from also warping, you abandon those sentries, pop out the ecm drones, turn on the lock breaker and NEUT his ass while spamming warp.

And you get away before they 1st guy can jump through the jump portal.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. You don't know how it works, you don't TRY things for yourself, you think you know things you don't and you reply snarkily from a position of extreme ignorance. Then you run to CCP begging them to compensate yo*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2579 - 2015-03-05 19:36:00 UTC
Eli Apol wrote:

It's very limited annoyance for the defender if he's locally based in the first place.


No one can base locally. That's the part everyone seems to be forgetting.

You're also severely underestimating just how much trouble one dedicated camper can cause.

The Tl;DR of a bunch of the earlier replies to me:

"But Kaarous, the defender has forty minutes under perfectly ideal conditions to un reinforce it!"

Yeah, I know. How many systems in the game actually merit maxed out indices? How many don't? The last number is a damn sight bigger than the first number. (nevermind that this is a huge underestimation of just how much trouble one guy with half a dozen cloaked alts will be able to cause)

Unless this is accompanied by a full, and I mean full restructuring of personal level income in nullsec, it will be problematic. Without said full restructuring, it is unreasonable to expect people, plural, to live in and defend a single system when that system has worse income than slowboating highsec missions. (let alone the disgusting income of Incursions)

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#2580 - 2015-03-05 19:36:27 UTC
El'Grimm wrote:
If its not ceptors it will be something else if trolling is going to be so easy. If trolling is in any way feasible with this new system holding sov is going to be a 28 hours per week job, no matter how small or big your space is.
If you're the only guy in your alliance, then you are absolutely correct. Fortunately, you have OTHER PLAYERS on your side and (I hope) they play the game too. You may also have alts that can do the boring dirty work while you are doing something else - something 90% of the vets in this game do already.

Another option is to let your **** get reinforced and then be ready to bring out a response fleet if the trollers actually decide to attack your stuff. ZOMG a fight!

If they don't come back, then your alts can "magic wand" your stuff back to full health.

OR, you can just let the non-critical systems fall and then send your alt over there to reinforce their stuff the next day. If they don't show up for the fight, then your alt (hopefully 5 guys in your primetime can spare 5 alts to get this stuff done in 20 minutes) can take back the system with minimal effort on your part.