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Dev blog: Politics by Other Means: Sovereignty Phase Two

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Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#181 - 2015-03-03 16:57:50 UTC
Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:
Remember that larger alliances have the ability to organize and sustain action better than most smaller ones. One outcome of these changes may very well be large areas of wasteland that is regularly mowed of sov 'just cause'.


What's wrong with that?

If there is no strong entity able to hold sov in these regions, but no powerbloc willing to likewise defend sov in these regions... should the region be owned by anyone? More freeports in more of nullsec is not necessarily a bad thing. The entire nullsec map does not NEED to have established sov. In fact, the current system that enables this seems fundamentally broken and is why people keep arguing that EVE needs more systems/more space!
Obil Que
Star Explorers
Solis Tenebris
#182 - 2015-03-03 16:57:51 UTC
Proton Stars wrote:
why are sov bears not shooting everything in jita yet?


It is outside of the 4 hour vulnerable window?
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#183 - 2015-03-03 16:58:33 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
So CCP, you've not really addressed the incentives for holding Sov, simply fighting for the sake of it isn't a proper conflict driver: see the rather dull area of EVE call nullsec.

It's a start I guess but:

Prime Time thing is a terrible idea, you'll see alliances start to lose their multinational flavour. If GSF sets prime time to US, what do all the EU guys do right? Must be a better option to scale this or opt out for other benefits, scale it base on alliance size.

This entosis thing, what happens if we get 5000 ceptors all with them on board? Wasn't this question asked at any point?

AFK cloaking - It's going to affect indices, for better or worse.



Look at PL vs HERO ... not everything blue around you more things to shoot.
W Sherman Elric
Argentum Holdings
#184 - 2015-03-03 16:58:34 UTC
Total Newbie wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

To recap:

1st phase we made it impossible to project force.

2nd phase we have made it so any scrub corp or band of newbie alts can mess with sov.


response to #1 did you miss the BL march across eve? I didn't that was very cool watching BL move system by system to get into the fight 7 hours it took them. Impossible? no hard? yes and it should be.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#185 - 2015-03-03 16:59:00 UTC
Proton Stars wrote:
why are sov bears not shooting everything in jita yet?

We're giving CCP time to repent.
Zara Tosh
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#186 - 2015-03-03 16:59:09 UTC
so, to increase interaction between different timezones and to still give alliances incentive to have memebrs over multiple timezones (not just the 4h eve fix nerds), i think it would be useful if, under the assumption that an alliance holds both the ihub and station, both of these timers must be off-set by 12h. You can still decide to defend the station (maybe have the ihub timer be dependent on station timer simply), but byebye all your fancy ratting upgrades - should have gotten some friends to interact with.
Bailian Moxtain
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#187 - 2015-03-03 16:59:43 UTC
Trash our supers and Hey lets go find those 10 command-thingys, hoooow fun. Lets put 5k ppl into a const for defense, wonder who wins
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#188 - 2015-03-03 17:00:20 UTC
There will be blood :D

Fornicate The Constabulary !

virm pasuul
Academy of the Unseen Arts
#189 - 2015-03-03 17:00:26 UTC
Lots of tears in this thread. You should consider buying a crying permit before James sets his sights on 0.0.

The insults to the devs are a bit off. Try being more constructive and using more reasoning.
Dictateur Imperator
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#190 - 2015-03-03 17:00:55 UTC
Ok,


You want a feedback ? 4Hour of prime time is to many, maybe 2 hours is enough because it's means pvp EVERY DAY during this time you. Because yes you have forgot a little thing: people who want easy km g to engage everyday all territory just ' for fun'. And it's recommended to make a break every 2 hours of gaming.


If i have read the devblog: The attacker camp can have a lot of link activate , and the capture will be continue unless defense deploy is own link ? So if we make 50 alliance of 2-3 people to run attack we have 50 link on and enjoy to efenser to defend against this ? Maybe make an interdiction to have more of 1 link for each camp.

Capital and super capital be use for what now ?

Some sov become easier to defend as other : you can have Death star pos near TCU not near other sov structure ... give possibilliy to deploy some defence near other structure to avoid stupid strategy like 3 people in each system of your opponent reconnect an activate link same time in each sov building ?

Nerf perma cloacking because it become to powerful with this new system ?
Speedy Conzollis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#191 - 2015-03-03 17:01:31 UTC
Left 0.0 Sov due to the mechanics for a WH, peeked outside at the new mechanics, nope not coming back out for that!
Proton Stars
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2015-03-03 17:02:01 UTC
Why is no one else concerned that GM's are once again playing in and influencing sov warfare with hidden alts.

Cause that went so well before in BoB, didint it!

'Oi Fozzie im poor, spawn me an officer in this belt please'

'Oi Fozziee, Have a look on that ccp graph and tell me the best t3's to build over a 6 month period'

'Oi Fozzie, Develop me a sov system that breaks the current gameplay cause im too lazy to try to take sov and invest me time right now'

Elona Solette
Innsmouth Innshore Lifeboat Service
#193 - 2015-03-03 17:02:21 UTC
Blatant Australian timezone buff.
imtokenitnow
Perkone
Caldari State
#194 - 2015-03-03 17:02:34 UTC
About the primetime zone, why don't scale it on member count AND/OR number of TCU, IHUB, stations ?
And make the ability to split the timer in two primetime (who can be close together) if > 6h (for exemple) ?

It should not be too hard to find a function doing that.

Like :
3H Small number of alliance & systems : Phoebe Freeport Republic
5H Medium-Large number of alliance & systems : Curatores Veritatis Alliance or Northern Coalition.
2*4H Huge number of alliance & systems : Northern Associate or Goonswarm Federation.

It resolve some of the problems of the unique primetime & also the bigger you are, the harder it is to protect your space.

What do you think about that ?
iP0D
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#195 - 2015-03-03 17:02:34 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Proton Stars wrote:
why are sov bears not shooting everything in jita yet?

We're giving CCP time to repent.


No, people are being considerate, and giving them time. After all, the main selling point of this new proposed system is that it is modular and extendable.

Just like Dominion was.

Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#196 - 2015-03-03 17:02:47 UTC
Initial thought on this:

* Mining providing defensive bonuses is probably not going to be used in any significant capacity while nullsec mining is in such a hilariously bad place. I mean, check out this mining profitability chart: http://eve-industry.org/mining/ . No one in their right mind is going to call CTA RED PEN MINING OPS to buttress their sov.

Gonna need to let it sink in some more before I think of anything else, I think.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Karbowiak
The League Of Unwanted Capsuleers
#197 - 2015-03-03 17:03:09 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Why not just make it simple ?
Create- I dunno - a huge star-base that you can anchor a the frigging sun or whatever . If it gets destroyed it's no longer your system.
Occupancy will get you bonuses towards how hard it is to get destroyed etc. You can defend it with platform/batteries and active fleets patrolling.
The End.


Yes, so much yes..
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#198 - 2015-03-03 17:03:49 UTC
Proton Stars wrote:
Why is no one else concerned that GM's are once again playing in and influencing sov warfare with hidden alts.

Cause that went so well before in BoB, didint it!

'Oi Fozzie im poor, spawn me an officer in this belt please'

'Oi Fozziee, Have a look on that ccp graph and tell me the best t3's to build over a 6 month period'

'Oi Fozzie, Develop me a sov system that breaks the current gameplay cause im too lazy to try to take sov and invest me time right now'


cuz i left my tinfoil hat at home
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
#199 - 2015-03-03 17:04:09 UTC
If sov structures are so separated, does this mean that player alliances can anchor an ihub in NPC nullsec? Wormhole space? Same question in regards to a station.

What structure determines sov for the ability to use a SCAA? Ihub or TCU? Seems like the answer is ihub, but want to make sure.
Elenahina
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#200 - 2015-03-03 17:04:25 UTC
Capqu wrote:
also rip supers LOL


Good, frankly.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno