Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Reducing or increasing the effectiveness of all sorts of things via special weapon effects is quite an old idea that's been used in many games before. It's not even a new concept for Eve specifically, although the existing effects are obviously much less dramatic. Mostly related to optimals and tracking and such.

Dude what are you talking about??

Yea we already have modules that reduce optimal range and tracking, those are called Tracking Disruptors.

This thread is making me physically ill from all the horrible ideas and whining about logi.

I'm literally starting to shake with rage. Holy ****. Are you trolling me?

Ammo that reduces the effectiveness of repair modules.... I.E AMMO... I.E. DAMAGE... I.E. THE MORE DAMAGE YOU DO, THE LESS HP IS REPAIRED.

You want ammo that... when you shoot a target with it, that target get's -50% hp repaired from remote reps?
For how long? Does it stack? Or does one ship in your fleet just have to shoot each enemy once, and they're all getting -50% remote rep for 5 minutes? 10 minutes?

Please...

I can't even...

I just have nothing else to say, except I think this is a god-awful idea.

I think we need two things: the first is a hard counter to bombers, and the second is an expansion of fitting options for heavy ships based around damage application.


Hard counter - I'm picturing a destroyer module that lobs depth charges. Either it's a medium sized explosion sphere device useful when a picket trolls around at 30+ km from the most likely fleet targets, or it could be a launcher that fires high speed probes in random directions.

Another option is simply to give exploration frigates the ability to pull up cloaked ships by combat probing, though not on d-scan. Knowing that an imicus is gunning for you is going to make a lot of bomber fleets hesitant to wait around for the best shot. That would even be reasonably good gameplay.




Heavy ship damage application - We need a tier of turrets to match the abilities of the rapid tiers of launchers. These will have reduced target sig (<400m), maybe half-way between the existing gap between large and medium turrets as well as improved tracking. As an example, this will give an excellent hit rate on battlecruisers (195-305m), and improved hit rates against cruiser sized hulls (~125m), perhaps even logi (75m). Perhaps they could even be rapid fire weapons themselves, utilizing medium or small ammo. It's really important that they do less damage to large hulls than standard size weapons. It might also be necessary to make webs rely on falloff instead of optimal to compensate the lighter ship meta.

Which is better?

Your fleet getting wiped out for zero kills in return.

Your fleet getting wiped out but taking down an equal number of ships from the other side.

Better than what we have now.

Right now if you cant break their logi then you don't undock, meaning fewer fights. I'll take dying in a ball of thunder dragging as many enemies down with me over blueballs any day.

would definitely help the ease of sig tanking but also reducing the dps of some cruisers would help here also..
perhaps reducing T2 resists would help push towards buffer over logi + resists+ sig radius

As I have said before, AOE is the answer to logistics that you're looking for. Unless you have a crack logistics team they're going to get distracted with the massive broadcast storm an effective bombing run would cause and the lesser side will have a chance to bring in some kills.