Intergalactic Summit

All things considered, you are by far the only Sani Sabik that has showed having a educated brain i have come across thus far, and i mean that as a complement, but despite what you think, your kind, the Sani Sabik turned on your former brothers and sisters, both sides have paid for this, my family included..

Atrocities against your faith? Might i add that your faith started as a subverted version of ours, which your people twisted to your own, that is just 1 atrocity against us, your people threw the first stone as it were. And i have checked what i can about your record, DED keeps detailed records thankfully, you were noble once, though i do not know how much of that nobility followed your decent.

And more then ink on a page to the faithful, my personal slave served me for 38 years, even when your people butchered my family, he took me to safety and helped raise me, i made sure he got the same benefits i did when i could, he even joined me when i joined the Amarr Navy as a marine, and he never stop protecting me, and last year, since the holder of him was my uncle, a man your people murdered, i freed him, you know what he did? I'll give you a clue, he is still my best friend, in fact, he is visiting his family this month i believe, whom i also help, there are freed slaves that are loyal to the Amarr, i know several, you need to stop thinking about the past, yes, there are always those who do not follow the rules, but i ask you to show me one group or civilization that does not have the same plight, and decline? Hardly, and Drifters confuse us all Albizu Zateki (Please know i do not know what form of title a Sani Sabik uses so please know if i could use it, i would, I actually believe in showing respect where it should be shown, even among enemies) unless you are about to tell me you know information about them that has not already been shared? No.. I did not think so.. And you may think you bleed us dry, but His warriors outnumber you hundreds to 1, but honestly, bleed us dry? If you want a number of how many times i have personally stopped your kind attacking civilians and innocents, and how many i have put to the touch, i will happily give it, i would not be against your people if you simply left us alone, i may be alone in that sentiment, but i mean that.. To bad that path has been passed..

Vitoc is not a wonderful thing, do not say as such.. Thankfully i came into a large shipment of the antidote when i became available, Vitoc is a remnant from the past.. And unfortunately will be stuck for a long time to come.. Nothing can change that..

I think you misunderstood, i didn't mean you have no right because of the reasons i stated, i mean you have no right just as i have no right, we are not Gods, we are not leaders, we are Capsuleers, in my mind, that makes us an extension of His divine will, nothing more then a man who is braver and stronger then his fellows.. We have immortality, not divinity, our kind should not have a say in the empires, for it is us who defend them and those who do have a say.

And yes, for 2000 years you have hid and attacked innocents and people who could not defend themselves, you have become less then you once were.. Your people once had ideals and pride, now you are all nothing more then pirates, And no.. Not monsters, that would imply we are afraid of you, His warriors have no fear.

And yes, I apologize Ms. Jenneth also, i did not mean for this to happen, please accept my most sincere apologies. I believe it would be the right decision to end this argument here.. My His light guide you.

Humble regards, Eli Sariah

And one still wonders where the nullsec alliances, Anoikis entities and pirate/outlaw groups got all their baseliner voluntary members from.

You have trading partners who are wary of you, that's all. Trading partners. Business relationships. Not friends. Had you invaded their homes, kidnapped and murdered them by the millions, attempted to wipe out all traces of their customs, history and civilizations and held their people captive for a thousand years I suspect they'd have a very different opinion of you.

Also, are you claiming that your people have renounced the reclaiming and that we no longer have anything to fear from you? If so you might want to let your empress, her family, the Kadors and Tash-Murkons in on that news as they don't seem to have gotten the memo.

I do not care for your tone, Ms Mithra. I feel like you're still trying to pick a fight with me after you were quite unapologetically rude in the last thread.

You have taken my analogy and twisted it around to serve your own point while ignoring what I was actually trying to say. Simply redefining something I gave a negative connotation with a positive one doesn't change the underlying thing that I was suggesting: That every society has it's unpleasantness, which is equally, possibly more important to understanding it then the good parts - Paticularly the old and romantic, which by nature only comprise a tiny percentage - and that you're more likely to see a mixture of both by picking a random spot within it's borders then by visiting a capital city that is both it's center of wealth, and also in many senses made to be very unnaturally accomodating for foreign visitors.

I wasn't , as you seem to think, implying that every one of it's millions of backwater territories in the Empire is wretched, just that they are much more likely to give a realistic impression of the society at a grassroots level. Both good and ill. Unless you are telling me the Empire is an ideal society, with no poverty? No inefficiency? No injustice to speak of? Please understand that I'm not trying help the original poster search for a way to judge the Empire. I'm trying to help them search for a way to understand it, which is quite a bit more important in my faith.

Furthrmore, I frankly have no idea where you got the idea from it that I grew up in a space station, or have some sort of hyper-cynical attitude toward civilization. I was born and have lived most of my life in the countryside, and so know a fair bit about plants, and I used that analogy precisely because I was trying to get across the very idea that you are accusing me of misunderstanding - That every part of the flower, not just the blossom, is extremely important and unique, and it is a tragedy when people appreciate nothing but it because they are uninterested, or simply lack the knowledge to understand the other distinctions. Even if it is superficially crude or indistinct; "Dirt".

I love getting dirt under my fingernails, because I find what's in the ground very exciting. I love discovering things that are not obvious. I'm passionate about civilization, and history.

Just not the sort of history that half the people in this thread seem to idolize.

Now, now, everyone. Do try to take a page from the new Ms. Jenneth's book and try to get along. This topic is supposed to stir cultural understanding, not get people uppity.

Thank you, miss Farel; That was more or less what I meant.

There are the good and bad in every group, I guess that changes based on who is looking.. And yes, The Sarum's have called for that, as they believed the Republic was going to attempt another attack, this has been going on since the rebellion as it is labeled, one thing you may not know, is that the Reclaiming is to reclaim what we used to own, in a way, it is no different from the Caldari wanting there homeworld back, except instead of one world, we lost several, i do not know the exact number, and yes? He disobeyed an order from our Empress.. I am sure if one of your own did the same your leaders would remove his assets, we did not own anything in Federation space of note, ever i believe, unless i am mistaken.. So we do not need to Reclaim it in His name.. I do not know if that makes sense to you..

And apologies, that was not meant to be making you out as a hypocrite, just pointing out something, you can not change someone while telling them changing people is wrong.. That is all, and we do not force it on the cluster, please stop saying this, I have never forced my beliefs at my Caldari friends, nor any other people i have meet, i know very few Amarrians who do, we hold none at gunpoint, unless you are referring to those still under the effect of Vitoc, then you would know that not all people live through the immunisation.. Which is unfortunate, but killing them is hardly better then leaving them in their state and working in Gods eyes..

While we may not see eye to eye on this, and while you may think otherwise, I have not attempted to turn you to the faith, and i have not tried to tear your people down based of the history of them, so I ask, please do not do so in an open forum.. When you do, you are only hurting the future, not all are the same, i hope i can prove that too you,

Please accept my apologies for any insult you felt i caused,

Humble regards, Eli Sariah

If you say so.

If your faith would continue to this day, you wouldn't have turned to heresy.


Yes, you do still hide. A few of you don't - especially those protected by CONCORD as capsuleers. But the majority of Sani Sabik cower in the dark just as they always did and will untill they are wiped out. And arguably, those protected by CONCORD hide behind it as well.That aside: How weak must one be to blame others for what one does and is. Learn taking responsibility for yourself.


What a hollow apology, one where you previously did just what you apologize for and afterwards try to justify it. If you really want to seriously apologize, do so by stopping to derail this thread any further.

Ok, I'll apologize up front for this further derailment of Pilot Jenneth's journey to understand the slaver mind/culture but, I can't just let some of these comments pass uncontested.

Pilot Sariah, are you honestly trying to say that the Amarr owned the Minmatar people and territory and that you continue fighting us to get back what's rightfully your property? And further, to compare your "reclaiming" with the efforts of the Caldari to regain control of their homeworld? Gods and spirits man, are you serious? Your people hail from Athra. Your people never lived on Matar nor had any legitimate claim to it. Your people invaded us. Your people occupied and subjugated us for a thousand years while systematically attempting to wipe out our culture and history. That's a far cry from the Caldari/Gallente conflict over Caldari Prime, pilot. The two cases aren't even in the same universe.

You also insist on stating that the "reclaiming" is ancient history although I showed you that isn't the case and even your own people disagree with you:

Pilot Sariah I don't know you nor am I attempting to pick a fight with you. I'm not accusing you personally of forceful conversion, genocide or cultural imperialism. You seem like a decent enough person, one who truly wishes for peace in New Eden (albeit on the terms of your empire's choosing). I'm merely asking you to own up to your people's "reclaiming" and call it what it is; an ongoing campaign of aggression to forcefully subjugate the rest of humanity and one that's practiced and embraced by everyone from your rulers down to rank and file citizens like Pilot Kernher.