Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree with the above.

Here's a bit of a brain fart, based on what many people on the forum have been saying about minerals. I'm not a null miner, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. I'm an EFT warrior, armed with very shiny auto-updating spreadsheets.

The whole idea of having low-volume (as a percentage of a ship hull), high-price minerals in a single area of space doesn't work.

Currently, this is how mining goes...

• Mine low-end ores in highsec to get low-end minerals.
• Mine high-end ores in null to get high-end minerals.

Highsec miners mine in *safety, supplying loads and loads of low-end ore to the economy.
Null miners mine in safety because of the *blue donut, supplying loads and loads of high-end ore to the economy.

But because of the current state of the game, mining in null produces excess high-end minerals. The player economy then pushes those prices down. Which reduces the reward, while maintaining constant risk.

Result: Mining outside highsec is crap.

Solution: Decouple high-end ores from high-end mineral price.

Instead of mining low-end ores in highsec and high-end ores in null, miners need to mine all varieties of ore in-situ. Couple high-end ores to mineral volume. High-end ores should give you more minerals, not better ones.

Solution:

1. Remove all +5% and all +10% ores. Period. Everywhere.
2. Put +25% ores in lowsec.
3. Put +50% ores in null and w-space.

* loljokes, this doesn't exist. 

Anyway, sitting in space watching mining lasers cycle is boring and needs to die. Make mining more active. Every change CCP has made has always made someone post angrily on the forums. They invariably bend over and take the changes as they come. They always have, and always will. It's all right to screw a tiny minority if it makes the game better for everyone else.

To paraphrase Mittens, CCP is now in the business of slaughtering sacred cows for the good of the game. I think mining is one of them.

Adapt or can-I-have-your-stuff.

Yeah, you're right. Lowsec mining is probably the riskiest of the lot. It's harder to control access to a system (even though Inties wouldn't care anyway).

Without reducing risk, you have to increase reward. After all, people in lowsec take risks every time they undock. Systems in the 0.1 - 0.3 range have the most profitable ores, but the fewest miners.

I'll argue against changing ship yields because that won't increase reward. Changing ship stats affects high- and null-sec equally, so any benefit to lowsec mining is countered by benefits to other areas of space at the same time.

Give us a lowsec-only mining laser, or change the distribution of rocks in space.

I agree with the first response ... ... and do not support that thread.

Exhumers should be better in almost every aspect over barges, no exceptions. Thought that was the point of T2



I don't use links, but don't they take high slots? if so you're shooting yourself in the foot by not using the most amount of mining modules that can be used on hulk/covetor.

That's the point of an Orca, or a BC with mining links.

Mathematically, at some fleet size it's better for the booster to sacrifice some mining yield to increase the yield of others. Below that size it's better to do the opposite.

Smart miners are always going to choose the optimum value for their fleet size. Everyone will compute what point it's best to swap and do that mindlessly in future. It adds five minutes of useful content to the miner, but influences the economy forever onwards.

I really don't think that's a good change.