Player Features and Ideas Discussion

AC became useless when CCP both nerfed track enhancer and buffed blasters damage AND falloff.
The result is that there is no engagement envelope where AC are better than Blasters that is not already far enough that would be better to use rails.


So AC have not a SINGLE METER of engagement envelope where they are a good option.

Well this thread was a complete and pointless waste of time.

It was announced. It was asked... "What do you think?"

No replies or discussion from a Dev in this thread since it opened.

Scylla patch notes released and the original proposal is what's there.



Seriously? Why did you even bother to open this thread as a discussion. Should of just posted a notification thread and ******* well locked it.

Yep, there will always be one that is more powerful than others.

Enough crying and they get nerfed.


They have been crying about sentries and drones for the past couple of years.

Remove them all from the game. FIXT

You're not very mature now, are you?

There are other ships people have trained for, because, you know, they like the ships/types, and like having fun in game.

But your point is also invalid, in that other countless people simply trained for the ishtard because it became the current meta doctrine.

Train for an ishtard or get kicked from your alliance/corp.

The Ishtar is so overpowered that aside from roles given to ships with specialized, specific bonuses, (tackling, ewar, logistics) it is the best subcap for literally everything in the game. It is the best brawler, best kiter, and best sniper. It can do all three of these on the same fit. Its damage application is unparalleled. Heavy drones from an Ishtar do more DPS than a pulse laser battleship and still have the tracking to hit interceptors. It is also the best PvE ship. It runs 10/10s solo and to beat it in ISK/hr in anoms you need a >1b isk pirate BS.

Unless you're tackling, remote repping, or jamming, there is never a reason to fly any other subcap that costs less than 1b. The Ishtar's existence completely derails all other balance comparisons. No one cares that, say, ACs really suck right now compared to blasters and lasers, because you can just forget about the comparison and fly an Ishtar which does 3x the DPS and application while selecting damage type and using no cap or fitting. The overpoweredness is so ludicrous that you can fly what would appear to be the hardest, direct counter dictated by game mechanics and you will still lose. For example, try to fly Zealots against shield Ishtars using only bouncers. You're shooting directly into their resist hole while they shoot your strongest resist, but you will still lose horribly because the Ishtar is just that much bullshit. They will either outrange you at 130km or just brute force over the resist difference by up close brawling with a weapon system that does triple the damage yours does.

If by mature you mean lack of logic, intelligence, or general knowledge of how the game works, then I guess I will never be.

Every fleet, corp, alliance has doctrines. You might need to get out of your mining barge occasionally. RVB runs a fleet on saturdays.

Ishtar has been one of the first ships you train into for the past 5+ years. Maybe you think the raven is prettier so you go for that.

This whole thing is nothing more than bad players crying because they are bad. They will always be bad. Hide and watch for what they cry about next.

You're continuing in the same vein.

Too reliant on a broken ship, are we? Don't worry too much, it has happened in the past and it will happen again and again - when balance is neglected, the nerf bat, in the end, strikes so hard that the ship becomes history.

Remember Draeks?

Nanophoons?

Nosdomis?

Me neither. Or at least I try not to.

We do.

Everyone does.

And you know what? We're bored ******* shitless with them. They could literally deleted them tomorrow and no tears would be shed. People are THAT sick of them.

Bah. Stupid smartphone... double post

Actually no. Im speaking of syndicate and lowregions of solitude, aridin, genesis