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CCP does. After all, the whole point is to convey more information. If they are similar, they fail at the core purpose for having them to begin with.

Being “nice” is somewhere in the region of 99% irrelevant. If that's all they achieve, they are utterly useless compared to what we have now.


Fair enough. I wanted to use the same size chevrons for both the size upgrade to medium and to large ships, and if I made it any bigger, the double-chevron for large ones wouldn't fit. But skipping that arbitrary design constraint isn't particularly hard — they're just the same for the sake of being the same right now, which isn't much of a reason.

In the format you have them there they are distinguishable with a bit of a study (and leaning forward to get closer to my monitor) but then I'm not looking at multiples of each in a cluttered combat environment.
The protrusions on the middle set are ok, as long as the same icon is not going to be used without them to represent something else.

You mean like Enlisted Rank Insignia of many nations,

You can have similar Icons that contains differences. Its simply a matter of the levels and sublevels of variation you want to convey, and getting used to it.

Have multi colored icons been considered? Even if it's just a few contrasting colors it could easily make two similar icons (cruisers+battlecruisers) distinguishable

Just in case no one mentioned it yet...this is the worse thing to happen to Eve Online since the last worst thing to happen to Eve, and can we have an option not to use them?

If not, me and my zillion alts are going to quit.

Their purpose is to make ship classes distinguishable by icon alone. They do the opposite of that and make them more difficult to distinguish than before. Not only do the sizes blur together, but the distinction between PC and NPC ships now hinge on a minute marking in the corner. They also seem to be completely incompatible with all kinds of bracket colouration and markings.

Right now, the only real problem exists with the half-classes (destroyers and BCs). With the proposed system, the confusion covers the entire spectrum rather than just two discrete cases.

It's not me asking for it. It's what the change is supposed to provide. And yes, more tools are needed because a fatter and more or less obtuse triangle isn't enough.

It's not a factor in determining whether it serves its purpose or not. If you have to get used to it in order to make distinctions that are supposed to be obvious at the blink of an eye, then that distinction simply isn't there — the required clarity of visual language and the distinctness of the cues is just missing. There is no “getting used to” that that will make any difference.


Again, that is the entire purpose of this change. What you are saying here is that the purpose is “doing it wrong”. That should tell you enough. Again, it is not me asking for this — it is the stated goal of the revamp. Since you keep saying that more tools are needed, you are on my side on this one.

In addition, the tools you are suggesting are already in the game. It's called the overview. The point of all of this is to make the game less reliant on those tools and move more of the information into icon form. The icons fail to do that due to being too similar, which in turn is due to having far too restricted a visual language to work with.

I agree with this 100%. CCP has gone around the bend (again) and come up with a solution in search of a problem. Something nobody wanted or asked for with the sole exception of some hipster doofus in the art department.

According to CCP we do.
CCP is currently thinking we don't get enough information with the tools we have at our disposal. Therefor CCP is in a 'we must overload our player base with information THAT'S ALREADY THERE!' mode (tooltips come to mind).

In this case there is already a TYPE! column in the overview, so there is no need whatsoever to add that information there twice by cramming that information in a 18 x 18 pixel box with icons that look more or less the same.

Thank you CCP. I very happy with that change and I think is a good direction to make the game better and modern.

Do not worried about the wining people. It is natural to people be against any change, and in special when that change take then out of they comfort zone. It was the same with the neocon icons and now people just get used to it.

Of course, that are some good feedback here, listen that people how take time to actually try these new icons. Colour code would be nice, like make the icon itself green for corporation ships, purple for the ones in fleet and so one. That way it will helps for the ones who want it and still retain the option to use the current small squares on the bottom right side for the ones who are colour blind.

Also, I personally think an increase of 33% in the size of the icon would be better, or at least an option to make the icons bigger would be nice. I know that this increase will reflect in less line in the overview column, but I can live with that. You can make it optional if you want it, as you did for station icons. In small engagement, I already have space for all the ship in my overview and in bigger fight I have to scroll up / down in any way. Therefore, I think icons should be a bit bigger to make then more reckonable at the first glance. Let´s say they are actually 18x18 pixels and then raise it to 24x24.

Thank you so much for your efforts. I know you guys are really brave in change that kind of stuff.

Castelo

More nearly identical monochrome **** you can't figure out in the heat of battle.

YAY!