Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree that with a Tengu nerf others will possibly see some more use. But in the current use cases for T3, comparing them to any other cruiser is destined for disappointment because the have overshadowed all of them in one way or another(s). Comparing them to a Phobos, for example, tackling a titan (while I know what point you're trying to make) isn't terribly relevant since they are different tools for different purposes even though they share the same hull size.

I don't mean to imply that T3 ships weren't, or aren't, in need of tweaking/balancing/iteration/whatever verb you choose. Simply pointing out that in the most typical PVP configuration and usage of the hull type (Tengu in 00 being rails and heavy buffer tank / Proteus and Legion in wspace being blasters/HAM and heavy buffer tank / Loki in wspace being webs and heavy buffer tank) show the Tengu typically far tankier than the Prot or the Legion and definitely the Loki.
This is based on 3 damage mods and T2 setup. One needs to faction tank the Prot and Legion to get near the same EHP as a Tengu while still keeping the damage mod count the same and neither have the even close to similar mobility or projection.

To those saying "...proteus with >160k ehp...."; Yes it's very easy to do. Trivial once faction mods are thrown into the mix. But if the comparison is with a T2 RailGu with 3 damage mods (and that's the comparison I was working from) then you won't see a Prot or a Legion that meets it pound for pound.

As for the >500k ehp proteus comment - sure it's doable but that setup won't be doing much dps at all and is something rarely, if ever, seen in the wild and therefore pointless to consider in the discussion. It's possible to get a proteus up over 1 million ehp (wh effects, slaves, boosts officer mods) and but no one in their right mind will do it so it really doesn't matter.

That aside, CCP has stated that they will rebalance T3 hulls/subs and this is the first step and we're all along for the ride. It'll be interesting to see where they end up. Hopefully the changes still to be announced don't place them below T2 cruiser hulls in typical use cases as then there's less reason to use them over the T2 hulls making the cost and sp/time investment less useful but that remains to be seen.

Cost is not a balancing factor.

Cost is not a balancing factor.[/quote]
Backline is balancing factor?, Then why is the opinion nullcitizens is balancing factor?![/quote]

Cost is not considered in balance because ultimately price is set by the player base and the free market. As such prices change over time due to popularity, ship practicality, and the logistics in building it.

What IS considered in balancing is the fact that this is the only ship in the game that causes you to loose skillpoints on the ship's destruction.

So you are saying that a 500 mil cruiser shud be weaker than a 50 mil battlecruiser?

The 5-10 traillion isk federate megathron is weaker than a vindicator. So yea, a cruiser should never be better at being a battlecruiser than a battlecruiser.

i really hope the signature increase of the classic: booster, cloacky, nulli t3 allow to be probed easy.

as the nerf of projection of skynet-carrier to balance risk\reward the use of t3 cloacky, nulli, booster is absolutly too high aganist the use of command ship, without almost any risk u can boost offgrid and scout and avoid bubble in one single ship.

except use of vulture as dps the use of command ship is only used in big fleet and never in smaller gang where the double\triple booster of t3 allow multi boxing and changing the flow of battle with a single ship.

more signature to booster, let them be probed !

So your logic is that a more skill intensive ship and more expensive ship (not due to rarity or AT rewards) shud be weaker just cause its smaller....lol

They just can't seem to comprehend that a t3 is an hybrid cruiser that employs the best T2 cruiser technology the 4 empires have and an advanced alien technology that makes the ship much more powerful than its size would suggest.

You could take a ship the size of a bathtub and if it possessed advanced anti-gravity, shield and plasma weapons technology there would be not one aircraft from our planets big 4 nations that could do anything with it. Why is it so hard to understand that ADVANCE TECHNOLOGY, no matter the size wins hands down?

No they don't. I know players that have been playing longer than I have that have never spent not one red cent on this game.

So you think the PLEX they used was made out of thin air?