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"We're Ashamed, and We Should Be" by Travis Morrow

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Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-02-26 07:01:03 UTC
Hello all!

I'm bringing you the newest article on The Coffee Rocks, titled "We're Ashamed, and We Should Be".

"It's about the gaming community's reaction to the recent SVU episode "Intimidation Game," which was inspired by all the Gamer Gate hullabaloo in recent months." - author, Travis Morrow.

I'm very happy Travis is contributing to The Coffee Rocks. He's an incredible writer, and I respect his ability to openly discuss the social issues regarding gaming. Thanks for reading!

You never fly alone - Broadcast 4 Reps | Twitter: @thecoffeerocks | Steam: CoffeeRocks
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2 - 2015-02-26 07:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
TL;DR: more useless gaming drama.

For the first and last time: There is no gaming community. Anyone who claims so does it for a political or economical agenda, or both.

Playing videogames does not make anyone a member of any "gaming community" any more than they could belong to a "peroxyde blonde community" or a "guys with goatees community".

I guess this can be hard to comprehend in a country where right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude, but I invite you to look for echoes of gaming drama in foreign languages...

If you find any, that is. Roll
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#3 - 2015-02-26 10:52:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitudeRoll


INB4 Lock and religious debate

and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Badel Jramodarr
#4 - 2015-02-26 15:23:15 UTC
Article wrote:
The articles on Kotaku and others are statements of frustration. "You're mocking us because you don't understand us. Not all gamers are like that, the industry isn't that bad. You don't know."

This should tell you everything you need to know about the age group you're dealing with.
It has nothing to do with gaming.
It's a fictional tv show, get over it.

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Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#5 - 2015-02-26 19:04:38 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitudeRoll


INB4 Lock and religious debate

and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend.

So there's sporting community, where anyone doing any sports for hobby is part of and a religious community which includes all religious people in one etc...

How about a breathing community ?? We all value our breathing activities
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#6 - 2015-02-26 20:43:18 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitudeRoll


INB4 Lock and religious debate

and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend.

So there's sporting community, where anyone doing any sports for hobby is part of and a religious community which includes all religious people in one etc...

How about a breathing community ?? We all value our breathing activities


not sure where your going with this...

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-02-26 22:12:31 UTC

TV programs have always been poor depictions of technology and gaming. Basing a conversation about gaming culture on a TV program just leads us to draw false parallels and make bad assumptions about what people believe.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Ragnar Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-02-26 22:30:11 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitudeRoll


INB4 Lock and religious debate

and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend.


Does there really need to be a "gaming community" though? After all, there aren't really any other communities based around an art form.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#9 - 2015-02-26 22:56:56 UTC
Ragnar Severasse wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitudeRoll


INB4 Lock and religious debate

and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend.


Does there really need to be a "gaming community" though? After all, there aren't really any other communities based around an art form.


i dont think its a question of does there need to be its just what a group of people are called

if the majority of eve players said "nerf ishtars" it would just be like saying the majority of the eve community vote for nerfing ishtars, its not a bad thing and communities are used in all sorts of things involving alot of people interested in the same thing, its just a word to describe a group of people in my opinion.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Burtzum
Det Som Engang Var
#10 - 2015-02-27 05:23:12 UTC
I'm going to go ahead and guess that this tv show episode was about as ridiculous and clueless as the Bones episode about blackmetal and deathmetal.

As for the article... 'gaming community'? Pfft. As if I have anything in common with someone simply because we enjoy products from the same medium. I am certainly not responsible for their actions. Feel ashamed of random idiots on the interwebs? Try to change the hearts and minds of anonymous trolls? Ain't nobody got time for that.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#11 - 2015-02-27 07:41:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Lan Wang wrote:
Ragnar Severasse wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitudeRoll


INB4 Lock and religious debate

and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend.


Does there really need to be a "gaming community" though? After all, there aren't really any other communities based around an art form.


i dont think its a question of does there need to be its just what a group of people are called

if the majority of eve players said "nerf ishtars" it would just be like saying the majority of the eve community vote for nerfing ishtars, its not a bad thing and communities are used in all sorts of things involving alot of people interested in the same thing, its just a word to describe a group of people in my opinion.


Have you read the article? It compares "gaming comunity" to the self-regulation efforts of Hollywood industry in the 20s and 30s. And it does so without the lesser hint of embarrasment at comparing film producers to game consumers

I guess he kinda mixes up game developers with moviegoers in his mind, too. Roll

(In other news: 1928, a certain radio theater portrays moviegoers as a violent, abusive bunch who enjoys seeing partial female nudity and firearm violence in the so called "flicks". Ask your pastor on the dangers of having a moviegoer in your community!) Roll
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-02-27 15:25:05 UTC
Do you enjoy watching football?

Well, have I got news for you. Worldwide community of football fans: You are ashamed, and you should be. Rape, threats, and actual murder.

It's irrelevant these were committed by some disturbed person you've never heard about from some part of the world you've never been to. You both enjoy the same kind of entertainment, you belong to the same community. Ergo: you rapist murderous violent bastard, shame on you!
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-02-28 03:13:46 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
TL;DR: more useless gaming drama.

For the first and last time: There is no gaming community. Anyone who claims so does it for a political or economical agenda, or both.

Playing videogames does not make anyone a member of any "gaming community" any more than they could belong to a "peroxyde blonde community" or a "guys witrh goatees community".

I guess this can be hard to comprehend in a country where right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude, but I invite you to look for echoes of gaming drama in foreign languages...

If you find any, that is. Roll

I'd like to point out that in the case of GamerGate it's left-wing wackos lumping everyone who plays games into a "community".

There's also a reason Neil deGrasse Tyson does not identify himself as an atheist, in spite of not believing in a creator. I don't think it's reasonable to assert he's doing that either because he is a "right-wing wacko" or because he cares what said wackos think.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#14 - 2015-02-28 08:12:02 UTC
Ila Dace wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
TL;DR: more useless gaming drama.

For the first and last time: There is no gaming community. Anyone who claims so does it for a political or economical agenda, or both.

Playing videogames does not make anyone a member of any "gaming community" any more than they could belong to a "peroxyde blonde community" or a "guys witrh goatees community".

I guess this can be hard to comprehend in a country where right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitude, but I invite you to look for echoes of gaming drama in foreign languages...

If you find any, that is. Roll

I'd like to point out that in the case of GamerGate it's left-wing wackos lumping everyone who plays games into a "community".

There's also a reason Neil deGrasse Tyson does not identify himself as an atheist, in spite of not believing in a creator. I don't think it's reasonable to assert he's doing that either because he is a "right-wing wacko" or because he cares what said wackos think.


I just looked for another instance of American idiots being idiots and getting too much attention as a reward for their idiocy.

As I said too, anyone who lumps videogame players into a "community" does so for a political or economical agenda, or both.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#15 - 2015-02-28 08:15:04 UTC
I'm not ashamed of a damned thing, nor should I be.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#16 - 2015-02-28 09:20:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Ragnar Severasse wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
right wing wackos are convinced that "atheism" is a belief system and not a personal attitudeRoll


INB4 Lock and religious debate

and your pretty much wrong, a community is people with the same common values, so people playing videogames are part of a gaming community. its not hard to comprehend.


Does there really need to be a "gaming community" though? After all, there aren't really any other communities based around an art form.


The only ones in need of a gaming community are people from magazines and websites who are trying to sell ad space, or similar folks trying to make money off of it.
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#17 - 2015-04-01 03:56:16 UTC
Coffee Rocks wrote:
I'm bringing you the newest article on The Coffee Rocks, titled "We're Ashamed, and We Should Be".


I found it a bit odd - it's not like the hideous ulcer of "ethics in internet misogyny" was a secret from the outside world before some episode of some US TV series.

I'm not ashamed, but I _really_ wish the Gators would stop making me look bad. They're enormously worse than either "D&D is Satanist" in the 80s - which was just nonsense - or "Columbine shooters played Doom", which was genuinely two lone crazies, not a seemingly unlimited supply thereof.
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-04-01 07:19:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme Sake
Like there isn't a buyer or a gambler community there's also no such thing as gamer community. A gamer is by dictionary definition a person who plays (games).

I suggest further use of the dictionary to find out what the definition of game is.

Also check http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/community to find out what the hell a community is.

If the author of the mentioned article is a journalist then perhaps he should be ostracized from "newspaperers community" for polluting the internet with incorrect, manipulative, junk information and shamelessly advertising their publication on a non profit forum.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2015-04-05 00:31:16 UTC
The United States of America is one of the most powerful countries, if not the most powerful, on the planet and to anyone born American, I say check your privilege jackass.

I am not going to be ashamed of some American neurotic self-absorbed narcissistic children with hypersensitive dispositions knee-jerking on the internet!

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Vector Symian
0 Fear
#20 - 2015-04-05 01:07:52 UTC
IF their is a gaming community I am it evil overlord so I will give an official response

-Down with this sort of thing- controlling people with guilt is a far worse form of trolling bordering on griefing as you will not stop doing it

you do not own us, their is no moral high ground to be fought over...stop wacking people with the Moral Stick

people are Asshats and they have been doing this for a thousand years and they will do it for a thousand more no matter the medium in which they use

Overlord out
*drops mike*
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