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Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 58
PhantomMajor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 58	#21 - 2015-02-26 23:48:16 UTC 1 Allant Doran wrote: An experiment to revert time to a period when the EVE gate was open, gone horribly wrong? Perhaps it was an experiment that went horribly right!

CCP BunnyVirus

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C C P Alliance

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#22 - 2015-02-27 09:57:28 UTC

Chribba wrote:

Tyanshe wrote:

Allant Doran wrote:

An experiment to revert time to a period when the EVE gate was open, gone horribly wrong?

Caroline's Star is the EVE Gate, or rather, the other side of it. We goth trough Caroline's Star and end up thousands of years ago in New Eden without support, trying to establish civilizations.... you know the story after that.

Soooo... does this mean that EVE really is dying since we will soon have to escape through the gate to start over?

/c

I see what you did there!

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Lambent Enterprises 43
Ortus Maleficus Lambent Enterprises Likes received: 43	#23 - 2015-03-03 03:20:38 UTC CCPlease, name the system Caroline's Star is in "Devron"

Memphis Baas

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#24 - 2015-03-03 03:56:45 UTC | Edited by: Memphis Baas

The gist that I'm getting from that article is that CCP is trying to introduce a Type II civilization into the game's Type I technology level.

An entity destroyed Caroline's Star (and the shattered planets) for some specific purpose; it was not a natural phenomenon.

I'm not getting anything about time travel.

EDIT: A Type II civilization should scare us more than the Drifters' measly "super" weapon.

EDIT2:
The lore they're trying to establish sucks from one point of view: the "universe" is apparently composed of several thousand star systems (all single star), with nothing else around them. A simple orbital telescope should be able to discover the shape of the galaxy surrounding the game's 5,000 stars, as well as the local cluster of galaxies, etc. Even if we're not in the Milky Way, even if we're in some globular star cluster that's much smaller than a full galaxy, the skybox should have some galaxy-shaped lights (not just stars), and some lore should exist about what the local environment looks like (at the galactic scale).

It's like we're in some sort of pocket dimension. And it's considered "normal", none of the scientists are panicking about it.

So, basically, with this type of background to the game, trying to introduce Type II civilizations or other "science" like that is meh. We might as well be obeying the spacetime rules in the universe containing the planet Azeroth.

Xenias Gigawatt

The Greater Goon

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#25 - 2015-03-03 04:51:56 UTC

Memphis Baas wrote:

Ahh, but you forget. The first colonists from earth and the people in the people who stayed back in the milky way didn't have any idea where the other side of the eve gate was located or if it was even part of the observable universe from the view of an earth based observer. Supposedly the stars on the other side didn't map to any previously known or observed sections of space anyone could come up with. This situation would only have gotten worse following the collapse and ensuring dark ages with their near total loss of all advanced human knowledge.

Sure, some pockets of advanced civilization and knowledge survived, but the four empires that players are part of are not part of those pockets. Pretty much everyone comes from a background in which almost all knowledge of and from earth is gone. this is true to such an extent that things like wolves are basically a distant mythical cultural memory that no one has even seen in what, twenty thousand years?

That being said, I agree that it would be super freaky if they don't actually have distant galaxies that they can observe in their night sky and it would be cool if that stuff was built on as I can't really imagine they're just a small cluster of stars floating in an empty void of nothing. If they were that would probably weird out their astrophysicists even if they had no memory of a universe that functioned differently.

Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 26,573
Sibyyl Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation Likes received: 26,573	#26 - 2015-03-03 04:55:55 UTC CCP BunnyVirus wrote: I see what you did there! Why would you want to make bunnies sick? Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Nami Kumamato

Perkone

Caldari State

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#27 - 2015-03-03 13:29:02 UTC

Allant Doran wrote:

War Kitten wrote:

[quote=Elisk Skyforge]

Umm.... yeah, because all the ships and structures we have from THIS time period don't look shiny and brand new. Clearly there is time travel involved.

Even though I do not think Time travel is actually involved, your position for argument makes no sense. Our ships ARE shiny and new... but they were built in the last couple years.

The drifter battleships look brand-spanking new, but their lore is that they are ANCIENT designs, from either the 2nd Jovian Empire or even earlier. How ships from THOUSANDS of years ago are still brand spanking new is beyond me. Especially when, lore-wise, CCP have actually said that some fleets, particularly the armies of Amarr and Minmatar, are starting to show aged wear and tear.

The drifters are different because they have either freshly built using ancient ship designs (in which case, why would you even bother?) OR, if you do choose to follow this topic's idea, did they perhaps come through a time rift?

Or through the magic of a thing called storage...

Anyways - big No-No on the time travel please. Time travels raises more questions than it solves usually (see Terminator).
Plus it's like a writer's get-out-of-jail card - "How do we solve this?" "Easy - we go back in time!"
I sincerely hope CCP is not gonna take this path...

Fornicate The Constabulary !

Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 413
Ka'Narlist Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Likes received: 413	#28 - 2015-03-03 13:34:43 UTC Sibyyl wrote: People in a system under TiDi are experiencing time flow slower than people outside it. That's not time travel. The experience of time is allways relative

State War Academy Caldari State 652
Guttripper State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 652	#29 - 2015-03-03 13:45:09 UTC Celthric Kanerian wrote: Why would we want to go to the past anyway? /sarcasm on. More players online! Remove Greyscale's industry fixes?!? Never introduce walking in a cubicle!?! /sarcasm off.

Lachesiss

Perkone

Caldari State

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#30 - 2015-03-03 13:45:40 UTC

CCP BunnyVirus wrote:

Chribba wrote:

Tyanshe wrote:

Allant Doran wrote:

An experiment to revert time to a period when the EVE gate was open, gone horribly wrong?

Soooo... does this mean that EVE really is dying since we will soon have to escape through the gate to start over?

/c

I see what you did there!

Chribba dont make me train a flippin hauler ffs Big smile

On the third day after your birth myself and my sister's will come to you and decide your fate.

Unitas Incorporated 178
Winters Chill Unitas Incorporated Likes received: 178	#31 - 2015-03-03 14:38:46 UTC Memphis Baas wrote: The gist that I'm getting from that article is that CCP is trying to introduce a Type II civilization into the game's Type I technology level. That theory is incredibly dated.

Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2,437
Kiandoshia Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 2,437	#32 - 2015-03-03 14:48:06 UTC Sibyyl wrote: Da'iel Zehn wrote: I'd love for time travel to be involved in the lore. Would be cool. TiDi is time travel. People in a system under TiDi are experiencing time flow slower than people outside it. It doesn't have any effect on time itself though =p

Orbital Express LTD Trystero GmbH 41
Kinroi Alari Orbital Express LTD Trystero GmbH Likes received: 41	#33 - 2015-03-03 15:59:42 UTC Memphis Baas wrote: It's like we're in some sort of pocket dimension. And it's considered "normal", none of the scientists are panicking about it. I've always figured that was why our physics resembles that of WWII surface navies rather than anything vaguely Newtonian.