Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Guys, I had a pretty crazy idea, that I'm not necessarily advocating, just bringing up for discussion.
This idea is based on the desire to encourage more solo PVP, and to encourage pilots to fly bigger ships. For example, I've read a lot of threads and posts complaining about the current state of Battleships, and how they're underused.
What if all ships did not have the same base warp strength? (Why is the warp core of a tiny T1 frig just as strong as the warp core of a T2 Blops BS?) What if warp strength went up as your ship got bigger and shinier?
Let's imagine an EVE where warp strength is as follows:

T1 Frigs, T1 Destroyers: +1 (same as now)
T2 Frigs, T2 Destroyers, T1 Cruisers: +2
T2 Cruisers, BCs: +3
T1 Battleships, T2 BCs: +4
T2 Battleships, Carriers, Dreads: +5
Supers: No change

Now... to make it so that warp disruption still works at all, my idea was to make warp disruptors/scramblers have a warp disruption strength of X(ship base)
So a T1 frig with a disruptor still has -1 point of disruption, and -2 points with a scram.
A T2 cruiser has a -3 disruptor, and a -6 scrambler
...And so on
This makes it so that a BS can point a BS, and BC can point a BC, etc, etc.
However... now a cruiser would need a scram to point a BS, or a disruptor and friend with another disruptor to point a BC.
This could greatly encourage people to fly larger ships in solo/small gang combat, by significatly reducing risk of destruction. You can still easily be tackled by a gang with scrams/disruptors, but it would make taking your 300+ mil T2 HAC out solo much more appealing, knowing that you can get away from some things you can't kill.

Some examples:
1. A solo HAC/Recon can tackle any of the ship classes equal to or "less" than itself, but if a single, fast frigate engages, you have a good chance of your expensive (supposedly more advanced) ship escaping. Any class equal to or smaller than you needs at least a scram, and a T1 frigate can't tackle a T2 cruiser on it's own.
2. A small gate camp would really benefit from having a BS in gang, due to it having a potential -4 disruptor, giving it the ability to tackle any of the other ship classes. (still has to lock it)
Note: Only scrams would turn off MWD still, not disruptors. And all scrams on all ships still turn off MWD, even if it isn't preventing warp.
This could be the most interesting change in EVE mechanics since warp to 0, or the worst idea ever.
Just interested in hearing discussion about this, or anything like this.

Agreed. Battleships would become ideal "heavy tacklers" and would be less vulnerable to a single frigate while still remaining vulnerable to a frigate gang.


If this were to go through though, I'd propose that 'Ceptors and their T1 counterparts get a +1 base warp disruption strength (not warp core strength) role bonus.


I'm not sold yet, but it's an interesting idea.

Didn't think of ceptors, definitely agree with this.

+8 seems a bit much, and I think you mean DSTs since Blockade Runners don't get a warp core strength bonus.

Also, where would T1 haulers fall on this spectrum? (EDIT: And freighters, and ORE ships.)

For any existing ship with +2 warp core strength, I would just take the new base strength and add +2. So a Venture, for example, would get 3, requiring a T2 cruiser or BC to solo long-point one. Assuming T1 Industrials were to have a strength of 2, Blockade Runners would get a strength of 3, and DSTs would get a strength of 5.



Again, I'm not sold on this. It's a pretty radical change and I can see a lot of room for abuse. But I do find it interesting and I think it's worth discussing. I particularly like that it would help make Battleships more relevant.

As long as covert frigates would have -1, they're already a bunch of slippery bastards without that cloak...

This. Congratulations OP for proposing an idea that totally removes the only real contribution a week old newbie can make to a PvP fleet.

I don't think you even read the OP. A cruiser would have a warp strength of 2 which incase you don't know, it what a scram does. So yes, a month old new bro can still hero tackle cruisers and smaller. BCs and BSs would have a 3 and 4 strength so it would promote more frig gangs to tackle. This is a great idea to bring battleships back into low and null. However one thing he didn't cover was how bubbles would still affect ships.

Nerf Newbies!!111

I've given this a lot of thought, and I think the following proposal is a better place to start:

Frigate Class has 1 Warp Strength

Cruiser Class (Including BC) has 2 Warp Strength

Battleship Class has 3 Warp Strength

All current modifiers to base warp strength remain unchanged. Warp Disruptors still have 1 strength and Scramblers still have 2 regardless of the ship using them.

One change to mechanics: Now, in order to stop the MWD or MJD of a Strength 3 or higher warp ship, it must be pointed with enough scram+disrupt to prevent warp. Any less, and the MWD/MJD module effect is lessened, but not disabled.

This change is still very disruptive to current gameplay, and a significant buff to large hulls, but it is less dramatic than the OP. It would also give a slight boost to Non-Attack BCs, who will hopefully die to frigates less.

Are you ******** how does this improve solo pvp? I don't see too many solo pvp ships with 3 ******* points fit to them so how do you realistically expect to kill anyone who isn't asleep in their chair or mentally inept?