Crime & Punishment

People should acquire suspect timers when handling stolen loot. With the mechanics as is right now, people handling stolen loot don't get timers. It's like a logi pilot repping a suspect and not getting a timer.

For instance, I was killing gankers in Uedama yesterday, and witnessed T1 frigates stealing loot from the wreck, who in turn dropped it into the fleet hangar of a Deep Space Transport (DST), then a Charon pulled the loot from the fleet hangar of the DST.

The frigates went suspect but the pilot of the DST and the Charon did not. The frigates were able to dump the loot instantly so while we killed them too, there were no real repercussions for them (the gankers) because they never lost the loot at all.

So if ganking is allowed, bumping without aggression is allowed, and hyperdunking is allowed, AND they can loot the wrecks without going suspect, how is this whole thing not broken?

People taking or handling the stolen loot should all go suspect.

No they can't. You can't even steal the stuff unless your safety is off. You have time to lock them up and instapop before they can move the loot to someone else. I see you tried this but clearly you were too slow!



Agreed. If you purchase stolen goods from someone in a station, and undock without handing the "evidence" into the police, you should go suspect the instant you undock! This is fair right?

It is supposed to make about as much sense as the OP's idea.

This seems more like a feature or idea you are proposing. But if you would like to discuss here, why would you want to do this even if it was even possible to code in the game?

This would make ganking much less profitable due to the lost loot and/or ships lost in the course of trying to grab the loot. Why would you want to take away the primary monetary incentive to a "profession" that CCP has coded into the game?


It has been put into the game on purpose to provide some small amount of risk to haulers. A freighter can with modest effort avoid gankers (with a scout/webber, some tank and not overloading) with nearly 100% success. More importantly, the risk of freighters to bumping provides a slight disincentive for using an AFK hauler to move everything in highsec. Freighters need to have a weakness to offset their massive EHP, and that is to bumping.

Without bumping and loot recovery there would be practically no freighter ganking in highsec, just AFK freighters silently crossing highsec all day long. Do you really think this version of highsec, also absent of gankers and anti-gankers and the player-driven conflict they engage in would be an improvement for the game?

Seems like a lot of activity went down before you shot the looters. If all you're doing is shooting, you should be able to intercept the clunky Ship 1 -> Ship 2 -> Ship 3 transfer a bit faster..

Also, why not suicide them? It's an ISK war too, isn't it?

Since I'm done with my little ag stint, I'll share a secret. Anyone can do this. In fact it can be quite funny watching all the bumpers trying to keep t1 industrials and dst's away from the wreck. You want to hit CODE.'s margins? Get their loot. It is hands down the least efficient part of their freigther ganking process, and currently super easy to interfere with. If you can find one of their fleets up its not hard for a small group to make a bill or so off of their wrecks. Add some thrashers to pop anything you can't steal and you can actually impact the bottom line.

Of course the afore mentioned strategy actually requires intel and competent piloting so I wouldn't hold my breath on anyone doing it. The people that are trying to prevent the ganks are missing the point. Protect your own. Not random idiots that are too lazy to defend themselves. Eve is a game that relies on survival of the fittest, and I will say that scavengers can be just as fit as predators in nature's eyes.

There was nothing wrong with the original suspect timers from the old can-flipping days. Bring those back and you will fix high-sec.

Ideally any stolen loot would result in a suspect flag until the loot is docked up, which means the DST and the Charon should turn suspect if they are in possession of the loot. The consequence of looting yellow wrecks is a suspect flag. If you can sacrifice a cheap, tanked Nereus to transfer all the loot to a safe DST the suspect flag becomes rather irrelevant.

The question is whether this is possible to achieve or not without a major rewrite of the code.

Losing ships and loot will decrease the monetary incentive of any activity. That's the name of the game.

All of them? Lol

Except for the part where you can shoot them regardless, since most of them are neg ten to begin with.

Once again I must question if you actually play this game.