EVE General Discussion

kinda curious i was looking into the csm forum section but WHo stands for miners ?

i got my answer



so there we have it.
This is in line with what i as a player want. so ill go for this thanks everyone who posted.

Got nothing to do? Then exercise your Democratic right and go vote for the CSM.

My that's a lot of people to chose from, if only there was a way to know which ones to vote for. Well great news, we have done all the hard work for you!


Sion Kumitomo
Endie
Thoric Frosthammer
Manfred Sideous
Bobmon
Bam Stroker
Sort Dragon
Gorga
UAxDEATH
Corebloodbrothers
Corbexx
Steve Ronuken
Sugar Kyle
Tora Bushido

Highsec sperg: But dem alls be nasty nullblob types.

Quite right peasant and its that way for a reason. This is the year that CCP "fixes" sov and all of the above are dedicated to ridding us of the current terrible system and replacing it with one that will;

Reduce goons to one region.

Deal with the 20,000 supers (we arn't kidding, ******* things are everywhere) out there to end their reign of invulnerable **** machines.

Make it worth living in nullsec without blanket nerfs to highsec

Crush T3s beneath the collective heel of their boots

End the reign of the sentry doctrine.

The non voting masses: Why should I bother voting, its not like my vote will matter.

Oh you couldn't be more wrong. By exercising your democratic right and voting for the correct candidates you are making sure not only that **** gets done but that **** gets done right. CCP cannot afford to flunk this test and so they need the best advice possible from the most experienced people in the game.

You tell us who represents the miners and we will all vote for them...miners have rights too!!

*BLINK*
*chokes on something that may or may not be there*

Sabriz is the candidate that supports miners most fully from what I've seen.

Heh, I can't even begin to imagine how hard the trolls would troll if I ran for CSM, though it's something I've considered. It's too much time to commit with other responsibilities right now however.

Lol? Sabriz is under the impression that miner should in fact spend the vast majority of their time attempting to fight back (with guns, not with meta) against players who will definitely win against them. Sabriz is literally the worst person a miner could vote for, since he's so biased against their entire playstyle, he'd happily see it removed. I wrote a short review of his campaign, and it's certainly not an uncommon view that Sabriz would be bad for the CSM. Surprisingly, judging by what baltec has put above (I haven't checked yet) Sabriz didn't even make the CFC vote.

I had a chance to chat with Sabriz a few weeks back. We don't see 100% eye to eye on the mining thing to be honest, but on most salient points we do agree.

Mining isn't a bad thing, and miners are not bad people. The problem really lies in the NPE when it comes down to it. It encourages newblets to do it solo, and to be honest that's a terrible way to mine. By yourself you have to carry the entire burden of a situational awareness and self preservation. It's a royal pain. Back when I still mined it was possibly the single most stress inducing activity I engaged in. Making sure you're aligned, pretargetting the next roids so you could harvest them while they were within range, watching local for spikes and known gankers and mashing D-Scan to detect possible incoming gankers is simply exhausting by yourself. It's so much easier when you've got some buddies to share the burden of keeping an eye out, even moreso if you've got a few bros in ewar ships keeping lookout while you and your crew get your nom on.
Also, doing it solo means the only thing you get to talk to are the rocks, and you REALLY don't want to know what they have to say back.

Fighting back against those who threaten your way of life isn't a bad thing. Method is the issue. Target denial is the soundest approach, as most of those ships aren't really built for brawling. I'd still vote for Sabriz over most of the other candidates... I prefer a risky and exciting high sec over a foam padded one. Without a potential for real loss, can you really enjoy gain?

You hardly speak for all miners, so don't post like that.

Solo Mining is and should remain as valid a gameplay choice as Group/Fleet Mining imo and I am looking for Candidates that see it the same way. According you Sabriz does not.

Thanks for the info on Sabriz. After reading you comments I am convinced Sabriz is not one of my choices for CSM.

Solo mining can absolutely be accomplished. My point was that in doing so you are taking on yourself a much heavier burden than you would be when shared with others.

I used to mine solo quite frequently. I quit because it was too stressful. Constantly jamming D-Scan to make sure cats weren't incoming, keeping my roids lined up so I could swap targets as they went out of range... keeping a watchful eye on local for spikes and checking the profiles of new folks showing up in system to make sure they weren't active threats... it's exhausting and leads to chain smoking if that's a vice of yours.

I've never said it wasn't a valid gameplay, i'm just saying that it's quite a bit more dangerous and stressful than mining with others.