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Katherie Hobbes
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#441 - 2016-05-18 22:52:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Katherie Hobbes
Makoto Priano wrote:
What if, this entire time, Nauplius just needed a hug?


What? A man climbing to a position of power abusing people because he didn't receive enough love, acceptance, or affection as a child or in affairs with peers?

Shock. Amazement. Disbelief.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#442 - 2016-05-18 23:11:52 UTC
Hi Aria,


Boss and I knew Nauplius from way back in the day. East Khanid Trading had been having trouble with some local pirates and he reached out to KP-V for assistance.

I don't know what lead him from being that bright-minded trader to being the Butcher.

My sources tell me he's still active (as I write this)...so that's something to consider...but I'll agree to the statement above that you were very brave.

I've been asked to mention, if you need help with TCMC removal or reconditioning, or if you need help transporting people to their home, we're here for you. No charge, no conditions.

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#443 - 2016-05-19 00:01:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Ms. Vailatti, SFRIM will take that under advisement.

Turning to the OP, Perigrinans Jenneth - a "hug?" That's all it took? To save those 33,000 souls?

A pity he didn't ask for that years ago..... so much suffering, violence and bloodshed could have been averted....

An acocryphical quote from the late Empress might be worth meditating on here...

"We need to save them, all of them, from themselves. We need to reclaim their fates and envelop them in ours. And we need to love them, no matter how much it hurts."
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#444 - 2016-05-19 01:31:39 UTC
You should have stuck a knife in his gut. If he cancelled his clone contract, it was the perfect opportunity.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#445 - 2016-05-19 02:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Neph
I don't know what Naupilus's record status is as a citizen, but I'm reasonably sure Jenneth could not have administered a trial, conviction, and sentence herself.

Off the record, I would have taken your angle had I been her--after the hug, of course, to ensure I actually was the legal owner of those slaves.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#446 - 2016-05-19 15:00:26 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
You should have stuck a knife in his gut. If he cancelled his clone contract, it was the perfect opportunity.


... this isn't an easy one to answer.

There are easy answers, of course. I was unarmed. I had no time to prepare, and I did get searched. His license was still days from expiration, and I had no reason to think he'd cancelled his clone contract.

I might have been able to flip him over the balcony railing, though. If I had, neither I nor any of those people would have gotten out of there alive, I'm sure.

But, also....

Part of the reason Nauplius having an interest in me wasn't a complete shock was that I'd had someone approach me with a suggestion like this before: proposing, in fact, to marry me to Nauplius so that I could get close enough to destroy him completely and for good.

It was a good plan. I'm pretty obviously inquisitive and critical, and skeptical of occult claims, but since Nauplius is deeply convinced of the objective truth of his own beliefs it wouldn't be hard to persuade him that his ideas were winning me over. Even if he wouldn't trust me very far at first, that could be worn away over time. I'd probably have to do some pretty dark things to win his trust, but it's not like I'm a very good person to begin with, or incapable of being ruthless. It would position me to wholly destroy someone who caused a ridiculous amount of harm in the world. I'd be a hero. All I'd have to do was to seduce and betray someone who trusted me.

... so, I couldn't even really seriously consider it.

In a lot of ways I'm maybe kind of a lost soul, but this is something I know about myself: I'm not a person who breaks faith, Samira. Call me selfish or naive-- I don't really care. It's not that I'm incapable of deceit. It's more that, if I did such a thing, I'm not sure what would be left of me, after.

So I don't.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#447 - 2016-05-19 15:15:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
He was the one searching you? You were the one going to his quarters? That is incredibly foolish, Jenneth.

I don't believe in breaking faith. I do not speak from that position. I have met with those of foul nature too, to save lives too, and extended my word and hospitality even as sickening as it felt to do. But I am not speaking of whatever other plans you have considered in the past. I was speaking of this one, specifically. You committed to one thing, and you honored it. You did not promise him his life and safety, only a hug.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#448 - 2016-05-19 15:22:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Samira Kernher wrote:
He was the one searching you? You were the one going to his quarters? That is incredibly foolish, Jenneth.

I don't believe in breaking faith. I do not speak from that position. I have met with those of foul nature too, to save lives too, and extended my word and hospitality even as sickening as it felt to do. But I am not speaking of whatever other plans you have considered in the past. I was speaking of this one, specifically. You committed to one thing, and you honored it. You did not promise him his life and safety, only a hug.


Oh, gods and spirits ...

Yes, his quarters. No, not his search. He's not stupid, Samira. He had a minion do it.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#449 - 2016-05-19 15:43:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
I've known the power of love for quite a while. There have been times where just a few scraps of my love has changed certain individuals more than the enduring hate and disapproval of the many.
Give an attention whore what she wants, and she often becomes satisfied. I often find they are lonely people.
Speaking of which...

Aria, now you've "foolishly" risked yourself to save others by visiting a Blood Raider Egger...after you asked me some time ago to not do the same with another Blood Raider Egger, I have to ask: Would you still ask me not to do the same?
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#450 - 2016-05-19 15:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Che Biko wrote:
I've known the power of love for quite a while. There have been times where just a few scraps of my love has changed certain individuals more than the enduring hate and disapproval of the many.


Vile individuals deserve to be punished. Their being sad and lonely or hurt does not change the fact that they have committed very real trauma on other people and must be punished. Whatever hurts they feel, it does not compare to the hurts they have done to others. Nauplius deserves to feel as he does. He deserves to feel worse. He deserves no sympathy, care, or pity.

May he stew in his loneliness. If the universe was good, it'd drive him to hang himself.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#451 - 2016-05-19 15:59:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Neph
Aria Jenneth wrote:
All I'd have to do was to seduce and betray someone who trusted me.

... so, I couldn't even really seriously consider it.

In a lot of ways I'm maybe kind of a lost soul, but this is something I know about myself: I'm not a person who breaks faith, Samira. Call me selfish or naive-- I don't really care. It's not that I'm incapable of deceit. It's more that, if I did such a thing, I'm not sure what would be left of me, after.

So I don't.



God, I'd love it. I'd love it so much. Even if it were a villain less than the Butcher, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Why should I owe my loyalty to somebody who has earned none of it? Give me the evening gown and the knife; I'll laugh as I slide it in.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#452 - 2016-05-19 16:12:52 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Vile individuals deserve to be punished. Their being sad and lonely or hurt does not change the fact that they have committed very real trauma on other people and must be punished. Whatever hurts they feel, it does not compare to the hurts they have done to others. Nauplius deserves to feel as he does. He deserves to feel worse. He deserves no sympathy, care, or affection.
I don't think in terms of good and evil, just cause and effect. Maybe "vile individuals" don't deserve it, but I'd rather see them change for the better and feeling good, than remain as they are and continuing hurting others.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#453 - 2016-05-19 16:18:44 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Che Biko wrote:
I've known the power of love for quite a while. There have been times where just a few scraps of my love has changed certain individuals more than the enduring hate and disapproval of the many.


Vile individuals deserve to be punished. Their being sad and lonely or hurt does not change the fact that they have committed very real trauma on other people and must be punished. Whatever hurts they feel, it does not compare to the hurts they have done to others. Nauplius deserves to feel as he does. He deserves to feel worse. He deserves no sympathy, care, or pity.

May he stew in his loneliness. If the universe was good, it'd drive him to hang himself.


Well, as I don't see Imperials dangling from their necks all over the Empire, I suspect you'll be fully in favor of visiting punishment upon those that spread torment and suffering in their mad quest for power and wealth among your own? No? Well, I guess we have to do it ourselves.

It has always fascinated me how you are so willing to denounce evils you see, but then shut your eyes tight when they happen to fall upon the same among your own, kindred.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#454 - 2016-05-19 16:35:42 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
I have met with those of foul nature too, to save lives too, and extended my word and hospitality even as sickening as it felt to do.


Gosh.

Do you mean that time when I met with you to hand over some people that I had picked up from space ?

Or someone else.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#455 - 2016-05-19 16:37:39 UTC
I don't shut my eyes. We just have different ideas about what counts as an evil.
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#456 - 2016-05-19 19:46:30 UTC
Ex post, I'm save to say you did the right thing, Peregrinans.

Furthermore, as the head of the Mithra family I'd like to extend an offer of help: We can house a few thousand of the victims in emergency shelters and the estates hospital and have them treated.

Regards,
N. Mithra
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#457 - 2016-05-19 21:49:54 UTC
Unfortunately, I can't help these poor souls, who are suffering from the Vitoc withdrawal. But I will pray for their faster recovery, and maybe the God himself will help them.

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#458 - 2016-05-20 22:07:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
For what it's worth, I think you were exceptionally brave. Not necessarily in the physical endangerment sense, but the moral sense.

You do credit to your god. I'm told He is supposed to work in mysterious ways, so perhaps that can give you a way of evading any analysis - as an act of faith, needing no reasons.


Che Biko wrote:
I've known the power of love for quite a while. There have been times where just a few scraps of my love has changed certain individuals more than the enduring hate and disapproval of the many.
Give an attention whore what she wants, and she often becomes satisfied. I often find they are lonely people.
Speaking of which...

Aria, now you've "foolishly" risked yourself to save others by visiting a Blood Raider Egger...after you asked me some time ago to not do the same with another Blood Raider Egger, I have to ask: Would you still ask me not to do the same?


Oh, this is going to be hard.

There's a thread developing here that ... I kind of don't want to respond to, but I need to, I guess.

I didn't do this out of devotion to a deity, trusting in His protection, or out of belief in love as a sort of conquering power. This is a matter of faith for me, but ... maybe not quite like that. I assessed the situation, and believed I had a clear and worthwhile opportunity to act, although I had been warned not to risk bargains with Nauplius that would involve a personal meeting.

My faith doesn't promise a benevolent universe. It doesn't promise that love will overcome, or that trust in God will be rewarded. ... I simply saw an opportunity to obtain something it would be difficult for others to obtain, using leverage I was maybe uniquely positioned to employ. I believed I was correct, but, if I was wrong, the likely consequences included humiliation and painful death. That was a real possibility.

My faith tells me I'm an illusion, a phantasm, a trick an organism plays on itself to stay alive. A phantasm's pain is insignificant. It doesn't become more meaningful just because I am the one who experiences it. I have no reason, therefore, to place my own possible suffering ahead of the suffering of others.

I saw an opportunity to ease many others' suffering by taking a risk. If I was right, I could rescue a lot of people. If I was wrong, nothing important would be lost.

Nauplius gave me a tool, and I believed I understood its nature well enough to use it safely when he gave me the opportunity. I just accepted the risk of failure, trusted my perceptions, and took the opening.

I wasn't wrong. That's all.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#459 - 2016-05-21 07:07:34 UTC
Caldari-esque pragmatism. I like that.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#460 - 2016-05-21 16:51:46 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Caldari-esque pragmatism. I like that.


Well-- Achura are thought of by the Caldari as sort of practicing the Way of the Winds by another name. There are some differences, but ... pretty much, yeah.