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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2015-02-25 16:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Thank you, Praefecta.

One question: I get the sense that your Societas is ... sort of a haven of Amarrian intellectuals. Is this so?

If so, it's a mixed blessing from my perspective. I'd fit in well among scholars, but ...

Intellectualism seems to involve a little bit of detachment.

If I talk to Nicoletta Mithra at Athra, I expect I'd hear and learn mostly the same things as if I talk to her at New Caldari.

I might learn more dealing with people who are not similarly detached.



Dear Ms. Jenneth,

Oh Gosh. I am almost speechless. I confess to some amusement. Me? A detached intellectual? I've been called many things but I've never received that as a compliment or otherwise! I'll defer entirely to Praefecta Mithra in that regard!

The Society does have some intellectuals (really, only Praefecta Mithra I think!), we also have clergy, Holders, scientists, station traders, miners, explorers, combat pilots, soldiers and industrialists and, err... well some who are hard to define! A fellowship as diverse as the Empire itself is diverse.

I'd welcome the chance to have wine with you at the Holy Grape, an establishment which might also allow for some immersion and as to one which I commend you should make your acquaintance!

Sincerely, and with God's Blessings,

Praefecta Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti of the Societas Imperialis Sceptri Cornaeque
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2015-02-25 17:08:50 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Oh Gosh. I am almost speechless. I confess to some amusement. Me? A detached intellectual? I've been called many things but I've never received that as a compliment or otherwise! I'll defer entirely to Praefecta Mithra in that regard!

The Society does have some intellectuals, we also have clergy, Holders, scientists, station traders, miners, explorers, combat pilots, soldiers and industrialists and, err... well some who are hard to define! A fellowship as diverse as the Empire itself is diverse.

I'd welcome the chance to have wine with you at the Holy Grape, an establishment which might also allow for some immersion and as to one which I commend you should make your acquaintance!

I ... seem to have misunderstood. You and Ms. Mithra had ... both posted in a number of discussions, here on the IGS.

It left a certain impression.

A poorly informed one, I guess.

I'd be delighted to meet you, Praefecta.
Albizu Zateki
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-02-25 17:16:53 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:

Oh Gosh. I am almost speechless. I confess to some amusement. Me? A detached intellectual? I've been called many things but



Never an intellectual.


Ms. Jenneth, I believe you will find Ms. Aspenstar has some very distinct prejdudices when it comes to the Empire and intellectualism. Do what you will, but don't drink what's offered without scanning it first.





"Bloody Omir's coming back. Monsters from the endless black. Wading through a crimson flood, Omir's come to drink your blood."

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2015-02-25 17:58:05 UTC
Albizu Zateki wrote:
Ms. Jenneth, I believe you will find Ms. Aspenstar has some very distinct prejdudices when it comes to the Empire and intellectualism. Do what you will, but don't drink what's offered without scanning it first.

How does that square with sharing a corporation with Nicoletta Mithra?

Forgive me; it's maybe none of my business, but ... it seems like you and the praefecta have issues between you.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2015-02-25 18:17:34 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Albizu Zateki wrote:
Ms. Jenneth, I believe you will find Ms. Aspenstar has some very distinct prejdudices when it comes to the Empire and intellectualism. Do what you will, but don't drink what's offered without scanning it first.

How does that square with sharing a corporation with Nicoletta Mithra?

Forgive me; it's maybe none of my business, but ... it seems like you and the praefecta have issues between you.


He worships the "Red God" - Sani Sabik. I'll let Praefecta Mithra's responses to him in various other threads speak for themselves.


Wendrika Hydreiga
#26 - 2015-02-25 22:43:38 UTC
Sorry Mister Zateki, but Lady Aspenstar is cooler than you. And she doesn't eat people! In some social circles, that's considered a big plus!

A big chunk of my pirate's bounty was funded by her! She is the best!
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2015-02-25 22:54:31 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
If I talk to Nicoletta Mithra at Athra, I expect I'd hear and learn mostly the same things as if I talk to her at New Caldari.

I feel that this is an idea 'you' share with your 'old self'. I'm quite sure you'd be surprised.
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#28 - 2015-02-25 23:54:48 UTC
I'd be honoured if you visited me to discuss and insights you have during your journeys

Queen of Chocolate

Albizu Zateki
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-02-26 01:50:52 UTC
Miss Jenneth,

Rest assured I do not eat people.

Mithras and Aspenstar and others of their ilk will give you the picture of Amarr that the Empire wants you to see. I can show you the truth. Or at least, a more complete truth.

Come to me in Thera sometime. I can get you safe passage.


"Bloody Omir's coming back. Monsters from the endless black. Wading through a crimson flood, Omir's come to drink your blood."

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#30 - 2015-02-26 03:10:02 UTC
You wear the Blood Raider logo on your shoulder who happen to be the most violent sect of the Sani Sabik religion....and you are trying to reassure people you're not what you show yourself to be? You may not eat people, but you drain them of their blood and use their blood for both food and ritual. I would say that's close enough.

-Eran
Albizu Zateki
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-02-26 16:05:26 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
You wear the Blood Raider logo on your shoulder who happen to be the most violent sect of the Sani Sabik religion....and you are trying to reassure people you're not what you show yourself to be? You may not eat people, but you drain them of their blood and use their blood for both food and ritual. I would say that's close enough.

-Eran



Violence begets violence.

In order to counter Empire, one almost has to become Bloody Omir.

You don't have to live in fear of that which you do not understand.


...And don't be silly. The human body is unequipped to sustain itself on blood as a food source.

"Bloody Omir's coming back. Monsters from the endless black. Wading through a crimson flood, Omir's come to drink your blood."

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-02-26 22:07:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Entry Two

Minor personal discovery. Well, maybe not that minor.

It turns out I'm still very much an Achur.

Also, it turns out that me being very much an Achur is sometimes horrifying to people who aren't.

I sort of thought I'd lost all of that along with my personal experiences, but, of course, most of my silly, muddled head's contents come from an Achur perspective. Apparently that also means my moral compass is set up in a particularly Achur way.

Does this mean that I'm going to cancel the project and swear to serve the Caldari State? Or the Achura nation, for that matter?

No. Not yet.

It is good to learn, though, that where I'm coming from is also where I come from.
Eli Sariah
Doomheim
#33 - 2015-02-26 22:51:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Sariah
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Hello, pilots.

I have qualms about posting this in such a public place. It is very personal, and I don't want to go acting like my own circumstances are naturally worthy of discussion here.

But, this is the only place to post this. This project is a sort of outgrowth and continuation from something I started here before, long ago: the "Small Truths" articles, which I think were some of the most interesting things I wrote.

And maybe if this is a totally crazy idea, someone here will say so.

In "Small Truths," I sort of tried to distill cultures and beliefs down to their essential core, as a way of explaining the "soul" of a people. It was pretty well received-- well, the one on the Gallente was, anyway.

The thing is, in doing that work, I never stepped outside of my own perspective. These were the Gallente and the Caldari according to the Achura. I lived as an Achur, thought as an Achur, saw as an Achur, wrote as an Achur. Even if your faith is obsessed with insight, you're still going to miss things if you never leave home.

My head is full of knowledge of this sort: knowledge I left to myself, even when all my experiences have gone. It's not "wrong," mostly, I don't think (but then, I wouldn't). Instead it's ... maybe just sort of shallow.

What's worse, it's full of echoes from the person I used to be. The more I follow the architecture in my own head, the more I sound like her-- well, me. The darkest parts of me may have gone with my most painful formative memories, but what if they didn't?

I'm afraid to see where that road leads.

It's the loss of my old point of view that suggests a solution. I have no memory of family or friends, much less of home town, home world, or nation. I feel more sense of kinship with random capsuleers than I do for the State.

Maybe this is a sad loss. I don't know. Even if it is, It is also an opportunity to see our war-wracked star cluster with unclouded eyes.

I've decided to do some traveling. I want to see the way people live in all different places, and why they live that way. I want to learn about their "small truths," and why those truths don't seem so small.

Since I'm maybe still a little naiive, I'll be starting with the empires. I'd rather not end up ritualistically drained of blood during my first effort, whether I might learn a lot in the process or not.

My existing knowledge base is already Caldari-influenced, and what I "know" about the Gallente would make it really hard to treat them fairly. I apparently used to be sympathetic to the Minmatar; if I'm trying to put distance between myself now and myself then, I'll need to look somewhere else at first.

... Which leaves the Amarr. I've already started trying to arrange a place.

Here are the basic terms (here and in the future):

My role is that of a visiting scholar. I expect no rank, no honors, and no special treatment, aside from whatever is needed to allow my presence and departure. I will live and work as a faction pilot. I will participate and take orders in fleet operations; my abilities are at your disposal, as long as I remain.

As far as I am able, I will obey your laws and live according to your culture. However, I will not be required to convert, or otherwise to bind myself permanently to your cause. I will remain until either my host or I decide it is time for me to leave. My departure, like my arrival, will not be inhibited.

I will seek the opportunity to interview pilots and staff at various levels, and will expect reasonable cooperation with this aim. What I learn, I will write about, with as much clarity as I can manage. My purpose is not to judge; only to observe and learn, and to help others do the same. I will not remark on fleet tactics or other sensitive intelligence beyond, for example, the importance of Amarrian religion in ship design. My focus will be culture, faith, and way of life.

It must be understood that my position will require me to play my part wherever I travel. It must also be understood that most factions are at least a little disapproving of most others. My host may take no retribution for damage I have personally caused by working with other factions.

My host also may not take vengeance for any perceived slight or inaccuracy in my writing, though I am willing to receive criticism and post corrections as necessary. In other words, call me arrogant, careless, blind, or prejudiced (probably all of these will be true at some time); just don't jail, torture, or execute me for it.

Writings will appear in the form of a series of notes, journal entries, and essays.

I will consider offers from potential hosts at any time.

Organizations affiliated with Sansha's Nation need not bother: without going, I could never be sure I'd ever really leave, whether it looked like I did or not. If I did go, and became sure, it would likely be too late to do anything about it.

(Besides, if we believe their propaganda, we're all going there anyway.)


Greetings Ms. Jenneth,

I may not be of the same stature of some of my brothers and sisters that have offered there views and services towards you, such as Sister Hanaya and Lady Aspenstar, whom i am sure you will learn many things from, but i would like to offer my view if you would be interested, i am a warrior of His divine light, and am very devout to our almighty Lord, if you would like a view from a different approach then please, let me know, i wish to assit all who wish to learn more about our great peoples and our traditions and beliefs, even if it is purely academic, i hope to hear from you,

"For he is not my blood, but he is my brother, and she my sister, as the faith binds us in a way none can see"

Humble regards, Eli Sariah

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#34 - 2015-02-27 11:22:18 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Minor personal discovery. Well, maybe not that minor.

It turns out I'm still very much an Achur.

Also, it turns out that me being very much an Achur is sometimes horrifying to people who aren't.

I sort of thought I'd lost all of that along with my personal experiences, but, of course, most of my silly, muddled head's contents come from an Achur perspective. Apparently that also means my moral compass is set up in a particularly Achur way.

Does this mean that I'm going to cancel the project and swear to serve the Caldari State? Or the Achura nation, for that matter?

No. Not yet.

It is good to learn, though, that where I'm coming from is also where I come from.


No journey could be complete without finding some form of your self in the process, and in this case, perhaps part of history.

I admit--I am not very familiar with Achur beyond the religion but I am very much interested to hear what discoveries you had that made you associate again with the Achur and even what events caused these realizations.

Curious minds would like to know.

Personally, I still think it'd serve you, or anyone for that matter, a great deal in learning to have this "sojourn" to other groups. I'd even suggest having a stay with some of the groups who seem more questionable.....I suggest the Angels, only because they were so sweet to me before stabbing me in the heart.

-Eran
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2015-02-27 14:45:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Eran Mintor wrote:
I admit--I am not very familiar with Achur beyond the religion but I am very much interested to hear what discoveries you had that made you associate again with the Achur and even what events caused these realizations.

Curious minds would like to know.

Prudent journalist would like to keep her access.

Well ... maybe I can explain a little.

We Achura (and Caldari generally) have a morally-relativistic streak an AU wide. This is most visible in our international attitudes and our approach to religion: we mostly keep to ourselves and don't try to spread either our values or our faiths to others. It appears in other places, as well, though.

We rather admire mercenaries. Take Mordu's Legion, for example. If they end up on the other side of a firefight from us on occasion, well, that's just the nature of their work.

It turns out the Amarr have a different way of looking at it.

Amarr: "So you're essentially an intellectual mercenary?"

Me: "Hm. I suppose that's true."

Me: "Why are you looking at me like that? Is that a bad thing?"

Suffice to say I will not be shedding blood on behalf of the Empire unless I truly come to believe in the Amarrian cause.

Quote:
Personally, I still think it'd serve you, or anyone for that matter, a great deal in learning to have this "sojourn" to other groups. I'd even suggest having a stay with some of the groups who seem more questionable.....I suggest the Angels, only because they were so sweet to me before stabbing me in the heart.

That's pretty much the plan, and I haven't ruled out the more "questionable" groups, though I've been warned not to approach the Sani Sabik and I know better than to deal with Nation.

Probably the core empires first, though.
Hevaima Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#36 - 2015-02-27 16:32:18 UTC
I would wish you well in your endeavours in the Empire. I am certain you will find much to admire among the Amarr as I did when I was an corporate attache with Kaalakiota in Tash-Murkon many years ago. For myself it always was the music. Especially the art songs for I have to say, being able to translate the emotions of verse into the feeling of symphony takes true talent and the ability of Amarrian composers to evoke their faith in their compositions with such beauty and truth remains something I appreciate to this day. Then again, I was raised with Civire Kriegslied so I think it's an unsurprising appreciation.

That said, if the objective is to learn and understand the Amarr and the Empire then I can do naught but recommend the company of the Lady Lunarisse Aspenstar. She is a woman possessed with an intelligence and wisdom combined with a modesty and humility that is neither facetious nor affection. If a path to knowledge and understanding requires respect then one can only respect a woman such as Lady Aspenstar.

Although I'd probably venture forth some advice I once gave to an Achuran colleague I worked with in my Tash-Murkon bureau. Never argue splitting a bill with an Amarrian from the Theology Council. You just end up agreeing to pay while they drink all the wine. It's all you ever get from someone who spends their entire life studying logic, epistemology, and rhetoric.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2015-02-27 17:13:18 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
I admit--I am not very familiar with Achur beyond the religion but I am very much interested to hear what discoveries you had that made you associate again with the Achur and even what events caused these realizations.

Curious minds would like to know.

Prudent journalist would like to keep her access.

Well ... maybe I can explain a little.

We Achura (and Caldari generally) have a morally-relativistic streak an AU wide. This is most visible in our international attitudes and our approach to religion: we mostly keep to ourselves and don't try to spread either our values or our faiths to others. It appears in other places, as well, though.

We rather admire mercenaries. Take Mordu's Legion, for example. If they end up on the other side of a firefight from us on occasion, well, that's just the nature of their work.

It turns out the Amarr have a different way of looking at it.

Amarr: "So you're essentially an intellectual mercenary?"

Me: "Hm. I suppose that's true."

Me: "Why are you looking at me like that? Is that a bad thing?"

Suffice to say I will not be shedding blood on behalf of the Empire unless I truly come to believe in the Amarrian cause.

Quote:
Personally, I still think it'd serve you, or anyone for that matter, a great deal in learning to have this "sojourn" to other groups. I'd even suggest having a stay with some of the groups who seem more questionable.....I suggest the Angels, only because they were so sweet to me before stabbing me in the heart.

That's pretty much the plan, and I haven't ruled out the more "questionable" groups, though I've been warned not to approach the Sani Sabik and I know better than to deal with Nation.

Probably the core empires first, though.



Not all the Amarr are necessarily of that judgemental type. Perhaps it would be best to start with groups open on foreign relations, like Kor-Azor or especially Tash-Murkon.

There is also the Khanid Kingdom that can prove to be rather open and transitionnal between Caldari and Amarr cultures as a whole, although it is mostly based on pragmatic and technological concerns...
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2015-02-27 20:52:17 UTC
Hevaima Gesakaarin wrote:
If a path to knowledge and understanding requires respect then one can only respect a woman such as Lady Aspenstar.

Thank you, Mr. Gesakaarin. We are already in contact.

Lyn Farel wrote:
Not all the Amarr are necessarily of that judgemental type. Perhaps it would be best to start with groups open on foreign relations, like Kor-Azor or especially Tash-Murkon.

There is also the Khanid Kingdom that can prove to be rather open and transitionnal between Caldari and Amarr cultures as a whole, although it is mostly based on pragmatic and technological concerns...

It's ... not really forgiving and cosmopolitan that I'm looking for, Ms. Farel. An Amarrian sensitive to our cultural differences is one who will not challenge my assumptions nearly as much.

It is difficult to notice myself making an assumption if it is not challenged.

Also, as much as I might appreciate the more open Amarrian entities, I am ... not afraid of them. There are people my "knowledge" tells me to fear, but I do not know how I formed those ideas or which of those impressions are trustworthy.

A part of this project is to approach people my "knowledge" tells me to be wary of, and learn the truth.

Hm.... I hadn't fully realized that until just now.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2015-02-28 00:02:57 UTC
Then maybe PIE Inc.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2015-02-28 01:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Lyn Farel wrote:
Then maybe PIE Inc.

My application went in four days ago. Even if I don't get in, I've already learned ... um. A lot. ... just from being in regular contact with them.