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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#261 - 2016-01-24 08:58:49 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Advancement of humanity being heretical, and new thinking anathema? What?


You know that leads me to another question.

What is the process for a new piece of writing to be declared a part of scripture? The last addition that comes to mind would be the Pax, yes?

I am not sure about the process itself, but I can think about one easy way of contributing.

Live a life of total dedication to God, follow scriptures to the letter. Help others and be kind to people. And, finally, spread your words to heathens (for example, minmatars), get captured by them, get tortured by their savage inhuman methods and endure it for months before dying.

Then at some point you will be mentioned as a martyr and will become famous. Though probably you won't be accepted by God Himself, since if you can deceive peoples about your true goals, God will know everything about you, every your hidden desires and motives. And doing all this just to gain the fame won't make you credit there.

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#262 - 2016-01-24 10:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Advancement of humanity being heretical, and new thinking anathema? What?


You know that leads me to another question.

What is the process for a new piece of writing to be declared a part of scripture? The last addition that comes to mind would be the Pax, yes?


It is a long and rather ambiguous process that depends on a lot of subjective factors, I would say. The same way the gallente like to elevate some of their best minds and influential persons to their pantheon.

What is considered the most significant in every time period can potentially be added to Scripture, and it does include ambiguously secular works like scientific achievements, albeit they technically are actually sacred for Amarr, since Amarrian Science is part of the Faith... which leads to even harder questions as to what is the place of foreign discoveries and revelations? Those are revelations too, even if done through different interpretations. I am pretty sure a good number of those are part of Scripture too those days, at least probably the ones that are not fully integrated in Amarrian life.

But in any case, the initiative can probably come from various influential groups, though the last word will always come from a decision of the Theology Council. Those matters can take time since including something in Scripture makes it part of the word of God, and so one can understand how it can lead to embarrassment when it is then decided to be made apocrypha or even heretical, as a few examples throughout amarrian History have shown. This is not a light decision to make.

However, it would be a very false idea to think that the Amarr only deal with validated scripture. Even fresh (or some old) imperial edicts are not part of Scripture, and yet, they are of primary concern.

I would say however, that every fact of knowledge is part of Amarrian society, scripture or not. Scripture in itself, is a validation of what is the word of God. And by that, I mean, what suits the current Amarrian ideals of Faith. Those can change, as Scripture change and is the word of God, the God of men.

In all rationality, that God is lesser than The whole Divine, for that the latter is universal, perfect, unchanging and changing at the same time, and encompasses everything. The Scriptures aim someday to be the reflection of that latter God, but they are not there yet. They are flawed, and a societal construct.

A little truth, in summary.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#263 - 2016-01-24 14:56:27 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Advancement of humanity being heretical, and new thinking anathema? What?


You know that leads me to another question.

What is the process for a new piece of writing to be declared a part of scripture? The last addition that comes to mind would be the Pax, yes?


Become a Prophet of God, receive Revelation from God, write down that revelation, and then declare it Scripture.

This is obviously a process with potential for abuse, hence the Theology Council was created long ago, but the Theology Council has become wayward and liberal and as such can no longer be trusted. Such is the state of our existence at the end of the Golden Age. Your best bet, therefore, is to read the brilliant Scriptures that I have produced and be convinced by their brilliance that they could only be Scripture.

Fortunately, the coming of the Blood Age will restore integrity to the Scripture-creating process. All the old distorions by the Theology Council — their blatant efforts to remove the blood sacrifice of Minmatar upon the Altar of God from our holy writings — all of it will be swept away and the red purity of God's holy word will shine and splatter forth as it was in last Blood Age. Even so, may the Blood Age come quickly. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#264 - 2016-01-24 18:05:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Nauplius wrote:
Become a Prophet of God, receive Revelation from God, write down that revelation, and then declare it Scripture.

This is obviously a process with potential for abuse....


It's good to learn that you can see the nose on this face, Mr. Nauplius.

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Your best bet, therefore, is to read the brilliant Scriptures that I have produced and be convinced by their brilliance that they could only be Scripture.


It's too bad you can't seem to find your own in a mirror, though.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#265 - 2016-01-30 21:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Entry Thirty-two: Ideation

This isn't about me. I'm not considering this. Please don't think such a thing.

It's hard not to think about, though, long after the head-shrapnel's finished pattering off the walls, someone's been called to see to cleanup, and I've washed the last bits of somebody I knew out of my hair.

Suicide isn't something all cultures look at the same. In Caldari culture, everyone seems to be expected to be their own harshest critic, up to and including being their own executioners, so, even if no one else will act to eliminate a dishonored person from the world, there's definitely pressure for the dishonored to eliminate themselves.

This wasn't that, though, mostly, I don't think. Caldari are supposed to end themselves very deliberately, even ceremonially. Blowing your head off in a crowded room ... it's a desperate act. There's no sense of courtesy, of consideration for others, of the feelings of colleagues or medical staff who really didn't ask for this-- it's evacuating reality immediately, pushing "eject" and bailing out of the universe.

Self-termination at all cost: because the alternative, for some reason, is worse.

It's something I might consider doing (have considered, even) if the alternatives are things like slow death as a prisoner of the Sani, or being trapped forever in my own skull as a slave to Sansha's Nation. I wouldn't want to do it in any situation where I was sticking people with memories of it, though. If that were avoidable, I mean.

Is it okay to resent somebody for being so afraid of what they might do to you that they end up doing something else to you instead?
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#266 - 2016-01-30 23:44:17 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Entry Thirty-two: Ideation

This isn't about me. I'm not considering this. Please don't think such a thing.

It's hard not to think about, though, long after the head-shrapnel's finished pattering off the walls, someone's been called to see to cleanup, and I've washed the last bits of somebody I knew out of my hair.

Suicide isn't something all cultures look at the same. In Caldari culture, everyone's seems to be expected to be their own harshest critic, up to and including being their own executioners, so, even if no one else will act to eliminate a dishonored person from the world, there's definitely pressure for the dishonored to eliminate themselves.

This wasn't that, though, mostly, I don't think. Caldari are supposed to end themselves very deliberately, even ceremonially. Blowing your head off in a crowded room ... it's a desperate act. There's no sense of courtesy, of consideration for others, of the feelings of colleagues or medical staff who really didn't ask for this-- it's evacuating reality immediately, pushing "eject" and bailing out of the universe.

Self-termination at all cost: because the alternative, for some reason, is worse.

It's something I might consider doing (have considered, even) if the alternatives are things like slow death as a prisoner of the Sani, or being trapped forever in my own skull as a slave to Sansha's Nation. I wouldn't want to do it in any situation where I was sticking people with memories of it, though. If that were avoidable, I mean.

Is it okay to resent somebody for being so afraid of what they might do to you that they end up doing something else to you instead?


Lunarisse Aspenstar is a cruel mistress, Lady Jenneth, to make you see such things. That slave was meant to glorify God in his destruction not in some makeshift hospital from which an inexperienced slaveowner apparently cannot even keep out guns, but in a sacred, beautiful, magical rite; a rite that would have even soothed a delicate, sensitive, melancholy person such as yourself. Instead of brain and bone matter. you would have splattered with the gentle spray of sin-cleansing blood; instead of the awful retort of a firearm, the chanting of ancient liturgy and the droning of vocal harmonies as the slave is sacrificed upon the Altar of God. Such an end has been denied to this slave, and God is punishing him and you for intervening in mysteries you understand not. Take this experience as a warning from God. Repent of your Sojurn among the wicked, vile SFRIM corporation and seek the true Faith. The Blood Age dawns; may it come quickly. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#267 - 2016-01-31 00:24:02 UTC
Nauppie, fetishes should stay private. And no matter how hard you try, you can't make what you do sound good to any sane person.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#268 - 2016-01-31 01:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Nauplius wrote:
Lots of babble.


I was unaware you took Caldari slaves Nauplius? As always, you have no idea what you are talking about.
The event in question had nothing to do with any of your unfortunate victims.

I guess when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail to you.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#269 - 2016-01-31 01:42:19 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Is it okay to resent somebody for being so afraid of what they might do to you that they end up doing something else to you instead?


Pretty sure I lack crucial bits of this story, so I can't speak for this particular situation. In general though... yes, of course it's okay to resent somebody for it. However much we might want to, we can't always reconcile the understanding of someone else's situation and what we wish or want to be true instead. Resentment in spite of logic or understanding is almost the default. That's okay, very few of us have the capacity to consciously control that.

As long as you can control how you act about it.

I am a little curious though, was this someone with the wealth and necessary contacts for a softclone, or was it an actual pulling of the plug? It changes the spectrum of response a bit, either way.

@Lunarisse/Claudia:

So out of two posts, one interesting yet vague, thought provoking and potentially a source for interesting discourse and the other just more zealous drivel of the exact same kind as before with no potential for discourse at all... you two chose to respond to the drivel dispenser that literally has only one button: "dispense more drivel".

What exactly are either of you hoping to achieve here, besides taking more focus and attention away from the few interesting posts on this board? As always, I have to repeat the same old truth yet again. The attention mongers we all know are not the problem on the IGS. The people that feed them are.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#270 - 2016-01-31 01:59:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
In all candor, Mizhara Del-Thul, I leave it to Aria Jenneth if she wishes to provide more detail.

While I rarely take the effort to correct his usually factually incorrect ramblings, I was commenting here to make clear to others that the delusional one's take on it.. was completely wrong, even more so than usual.

Given the sensitive nature of what occurred (and as to which i do know all the details), I defer to Ms. Jenneth as to what she wishes to meditate on or express in her Sojourn and trust that her careful discretion will be exercised.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#271 - 2016-01-31 02:19:21 UTC
Is the person being resented the dead one? Precious little comes from resenting the dead.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#272 - 2016-01-31 04:29:37 UTC
To shoot yourself in the head without even having the courtesy to use a hollow-point or self-fragmentation round?

Now that's just rude.

If you're going to end yourself at least have the politeness not to leave a mess.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#273 - 2016-01-31 16:11:10 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Is it okay to resent somebody for being so afraid of what they might do to you that they end up doing something else to you instead?


As others have noted, there is not enough information on the reference incident for most of us to give a useful answer to this reasonable question.

All of our actions cause an effect on others, as we do not exist in isolation. If resentment follows, it may be very difficult to predict why and for whom. Self-destruction is a perfectly reasonable response to some situations and there are plenty of places where one can end one's life with support and peaceably for all.

Committing suicide by public violence is a violent act against other people. It's impact must be viewed through that lens, and resentment is a fairly likely response from those so violated. Violence also often derives from fear.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#274 - 2016-01-31 16:20:16 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
To shoot yourself in the head without even having the courtesy to use a hollow-point or self-fragmentation round?

Now that's just rude.

If you're going to end yourself at least have the politeness not to leave a mess.


Oi. Hollow points WILL leave a mess. Use AP if you are so concerned about not leaving a mess. You will bleed out instead of dying painlessly though, unless you aim very carefully.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#275 - 2016-01-31 23:48:27 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Oi. Hollow points WILL leave a mess. Use AP if you are so concerned about not leaving a mess. You will bleed out instead of dying painlessly though, unless you aim very carefully.


Well hypothetically it's always a question of the round in question. I just believe if you're going to shoot someone in the head at close range one should always use a round that does not over penetrate the cranial cavity whilst transmitting sufficient hydrostatic shock upon impact to ensure terminal brain tissue damage. There's always going to be a mess, but at least a decreased chance of high velocity blood spatter and bits of brain and bone going all over the place requiring the use of a hose if one didn't put some tarpaulin down beforehand.

Then again, it's not like I've had to shoot many people in the head at close range with a pistol.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#276 - 2016-01-31 23:59:08 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Oi. Hollow points WILL leave a mess. Use AP if you are so concerned about not leaving a mess. You will bleed out instead of dying painlessly though, unless you aim very carefully.


Well hypothetically it's always a question of the round in question. I just believe if you're going to shoot someone in the head at close range one should always use a round that does not over penetrate the cranial cavity whilst transmitting sufficient hydrostatic shock upon impact to ensure terminal brain tissue damage. There's always going to be a mess, but at least a decreased chance of high velocity blood spatter and bits of brain and bone going all over the place requiring the use of a hose if one didn't put some tarpaulin down beforehand.

Then again, it's not like I've had to shoot many people in the head at close range with a pistol.


Hmmm I was going to mention the concern of over penetration..... your significant other, neighbour, or visitor certainly wouldn't be too happy coming under fire from the next room from a military grade armour piercing weapon.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#277 - 2016-02-01 01:59:21 UTC
Kador Ouryon wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Oi. Hollow points WILL leave a mess. Use AP if you are so concerned about not leaving a mess. You will bleed out instead of dying painlessly though, unless you aim very carefully.


Well hypothetically it's always a question of the round in question. I just believe if you're going to shoot someone in the head at close range one should always use a round that does not over penetrate the cranial cavity whilst transmitting sufficient hydrostatic shock upon impact to ensure terminal brain tissue damage. There's always going to be a mess, but at least a decreased chance of high velocity blood spatter and bits of brain and bone going all over the place requiring the use of a hose if one didn't put some tarpaulin down beforehand.

Then again, it's not like I've had to shoot many people in the head at close range with a pistol.


Hmmm I was going to mention the concern of over penetration..... your significant other, neighbour, or visitor certainly wouldn't be too happy coming under fire from the next room from a military grade armour piercing weapon.


In the case of hollow points, you tend to leave less of an intact head with pretty little holes in it and more of a blood splatter plus brain matter and cranial fragments all over the floor. Just check the calibre and material of the AP round to ensure it's not one of those that will penetrate 150mm thick platings. Anything that can penetrate plating that thick is usually graded as 'anti-material' rather than 'armour piercing'.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#278 - 2016-02-02 06:42:41 UTC
... okay, so ...

I'm sorry. I probably shouldn't actually say anything more about this.

I probably shouldn't have said anything to begin with, but some things are hard to put aside.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#279 - 2016-02-02 13:12:04 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Entry Thirty-two: Ideation

This isn't about me. I'm not considering this. Please don't think such a thing.

It's hard not to think about, though, long after the head-shrapnel's finished pattering off the walls, someone's been called to see to cleanup, and I've washed the last bits of somebody I knew out of my hair.

Suicide isn't something all cultures look at the same. In Caldari culture, everyone's seems to be expected to be their own harshest critic, up to and including being their own executioners, so, even if no one else will act to eliminate a dishonored person from the world, there's definitely pressure for the dishonored to eliminate themselves.

This wasn't that, though, mostly, I don't think. Caldari are supposed to end themselves very deliberately, even ceremonially. Blowing your head off in a crowded room ... it's a desperate act. There's no sense of courtesy, of consideration for others, of the feelings of colleagues or medical staff who really didn't ask for this-- it's evacuating reality immediately, pushing "eject" and bailing out of the universe.

Self-termination at all cost: because the alternative, for some reason, is worse.

It's something I might consider doing (have considered, even) if the alternatives are things like slow death as a prisoner of the Sani, or being trapped forever in my own skull as a slave to Sansha's Nation. I wouldn't want to do it in any situation where I was sticking people with memories of it, though. If that were avoidable, I mean.

Is it okay to resent somebody for being so afraid of what they might do to you that they end up doing something else to you instead?

We all have done this. I mean we, capsuleers.

Simply because becoming a capsuleer means termination of your life. It is neither a healthy nor normal solution. I guess we all had rather... solid reasons to cross this line.

My reasons? To not end in gallente hands. Maybe my predecessor is dead, but her legacy lives in me, and I will bring all what she felt back to gallentes and watch their lives passing out. Since I became a capsuleer, hundred of thousands if not millions of gallentean lives have perished because of my actions. Let it be them a reminder of a cost of a single Caldari life.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#280 - 2016-02-07 09:19:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Entry Thirty-three: Changeling

I'm nearly a year old. Three more days. At 00:11 on the tenth, I'll have existed for twelve months to the minute.

It's kind of a weird age for someone like me to identify as. I'm not sure there's a better way, though; my biological age is "frozen" with the DNA samples that my clones are grown from. My mind's been developing for longer, but a lot of that ... it's like I inherited it.

I'm not myself. That's been apparent for a long time.

There are a lot of ways to describe what I am: at the kinder end, "amnesiac," "second chance," "fresh start"; at the less kind, "homunculus," "chimera," or "usurper."

However more or less accurate any of those might be, none of them really capture the situation's ambiguity.

I'm not an accident victim; somebody made me. They went to a lot of trouble to do it, too. What's more, there might be a second timeline out there, another Aria. If so, I'm probably an attack on her, meant to tie up her identity and wealth-- or I might be a trap, to bait her into the open. If people think of me as a constructed life form who only exists to harm someone they care about, I can understand why. If Aria Jenneth has to be the person who wrote the "Children of Naught," then ... well, okay, by that standard, I'm either crippled or an impostor.

It seems like the law kind of agrees with this point of view, too: if a more complete and authentic copy appeared, I'd probably lose this identity, and my capsuleer status along with it. Probably, I'd officially be a Caldari nonentity, without legal rights. At best, I'd be evidence of a serious crime; but even if they were looking into it, I don't know anything useful, so that's a job I'd be able to do just fine as a corpse. No legal rights means you can be shot if and when somebody feels like it, and at that point I'd be pretty inconvenient to a lot of people, so....

Yeah. That's maybe a reason not to get too attached to being alive.

That's actually been a pretty useful thing from a spiritual point of view. My faith tells me I don't really exist as a separate being, anyway, so why get too attached to the figment that is my self? Getting wrapped up in the illusions of the world only makes it that much harder to see and understand them-- to see the Totality, and our own places in it.

An issue comes from the point that, while not too many one-year-olds remember their first five minutes in this world, this world isn't an easy thing to stay aloof from even if you spring into it with a head full of knowledge. ... and part of what I learned, early on, was how few favors "distance" did the person I used to be.

So, I've avoided keeping mine. I've explored corners of the world where my old self was even more a stranger than I am; I've made friends, and more than friends, in places my predecessor would never have thought to go. Connection means entanglement. It skews perspective, warps neutrality into partisanship. It makes it hard to stay objective (as if such a thing was ever really possible, anyway).

If I settle in the Empire, even if I'm never a proper subject, should I bring this project to an end? Will I be able to see people I care for-- whom I love-- with clear eyes, even if I care?

I don't know. I started this project to chronicle travels throughout the cluster, to take advantage of my own rootlessness to explore, and to describe what I saw through clear eyes. If my heart is tied to a place and people, will I be able to look at others without distortion? If not, then maybe I should bring these journals to a close. Even if they can no longer serve their original purpose, though, at least they can chronicle something more typical of a journal, public or otherwise: the establishment and development of the connections that form the foundation of a life.

A vagabond might not find it difficult to look on strangers with clear eyes. Wandering, alone, is a lonely thing to be, though. Whether this life is mine to build is maybe a fair question, it's true, but I'm pretty tired of being lonely. If I have feared my own strength, dreamed my blood was turning to black ink, maybe that's because of the distance it might put between me and the rest of humanity-- those I might care for, or perhaps my own sense of belonging.

There is a place I might belong, here. I hadn't realized, before, how intensely I could want such a thing: more than travel, more than clarity, even more than wisdom.

How long we might have, I don't know. That uncertainty doesn't seem so different from anyone else's, though.