EVE General Discussion

Just have fun, don't take the game to serious and do not let others dictate how you should be playing the game.

If you get pushed ingame push back. You just might make friends of them and a whole new world of gameplay could open for you.

dont let it ruin your day.

i had a tough time with this at first......its been almost 10 years, and i have way more fun with eve once i got over this.

Plot twist: Sibs is maxed out on mining and is training up Resource Processing Vs. I give the advice about mining because of what I've seen it do to EVE players over and over again.

I personally enjoy mind numbing activities. For example, I love cleaning every inch of my living space at 2-3am in the morning quite regularly. I don't think my likes are really all that representative.

Quit Eve ASAP (and gimme all your stuff)

Don't get angry when things don't go your way. Losing is supposed to be a fun learning experience. EVE is not a game for crybabies.

Unfortunatly this is very wrong. Though I am fairly new I know this has been repeated on the forum a dozen times until most people tend to believe it, but its wrong from a mathematical perspective:

Simply compare a full Lv 5 Pilot with a full Lv 4 Pilot. Once I heard a pro-argument for this ****** SP system saying that there are "diminishing returns", but I call this BS because of the multiplicative nature of all stats.

If you have 4,1% more damage and 4,1% more EHP your "combatpower" has already an +8,5% advantage. And this is RIDICULOUSLY HIGH for a PvP game.

I come from a medium high competitive szene in league of legends and I can tell you: losing "only" 2% damage would put you on such a disadvantage, that playing the came would not be fun anymore...

But in EVE we have TONS of multiplicative stats:
-damage
-EHP
-CPU (=potential module slot)
-regeneration (multiplicative to EHP)
-speed (=EHP)
-different damage modifier (for instance having -20% explosion radius for missiles might increase total damage by up to +~25, so those -5%s from skills count)

My conclusion: The PvP aspect is incredible gimped by EVE Onlines Skillsystem.

Personally Id like to do faction warfare, but as I have only 1,5 mio skillpoints its 100% useless to even try. Actually I tried but though it was interesting to experience "danger" the fun part of low SP FW is completly missing.
Some things I learned while I trying:

1, most player fly T2 ships They easily have x2-x4 EHP because of native resistance. I even managed to shoot down a T2 ships shields and got excited, but after I got destroyed I found out that the enemy ship is armor tanked and has at least 50 (but rather 80%) resistance while I shot down a 0% shield. (this means the fight might look close, but in reality the enemy was like 5x stronger than me though we both flew cruiser. Also I am currently a Lv3+ Pilot, but Tech2 + Lv4-5 is too strong-->see scaling as I mentioned above).

2, Even if I fit a T1 cruiser with low range weapons and maximum reasonable offensive capability, FW complex ships outregenerate me me.


PvP is 100% pointless as a beginner, dont let anybody tell you something different, they are obviously lying and hope to feed on easy prey while roaming.

The only thing a beginner can do is focus on LV 4 missions. They will be possible after 2 months of "not playing the game".


What Id advice a beginner:

play security missions, learn the combat system(which is incredible btw). Learn all the game mechanics and possibilities.
Dont grind, because of low SP your efficiency is reduced by 90% anyways.

Learning and offline progression, this is what you should do... (play the game by not playing it)


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So true.
Actually I thought about buying a character, but this would feel so wrong...

My approach is: Go into combat skill for 2 years, and then I will be able to fly ONE SINGLE ship competitivly. Sounds great?

That's some pretty sad advice. You can have a lot of fun with low SP chars, and the gap isn't really that big if you have a focused skill plan for the things you plan to use the character for.

On this character I have 82 million SP, but whenever I undock in a ship, I only get to utilize a small fraction of those SP.

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The part about 5% being a big difference is true, I'll give you that, but only when the combat is set up to be fair. Eve is not that kind of game. It's pretty rare for a 1v1 to happen between people in the same ship and fitting style (aside from prearranged fights I guess). Heck you talk about league. This is similar to a 1v1 between a fighter and a support. Or the fed marksman vs the marksman who's been behind all game. You don't expect to win if you're in a bad spot so you don't engage in that fight, you wait for a better opportunity.

In league the design is based around 5v5, even players on each team, everyone starts on the same footing, both teams have access to the same income and the same items etc etc etc. Eve isn't designed for fights to be fair. Sure 1v1 a high SP character will likely beat a low SP char, but hey, this is eve, bring friends!

In League half the game is trying to set up situations where you fight with an advantage. Ganking 2v1, grabbing an objective when they're on the other side of the map or 2 players down, split pushing etc etc etc. If you don't think you'll win a fight dont fight. Change the circumstances so you have the advantage, then go in for the fight. Eve is like this but on a much grander scale.

And if anyone complains that their 60mil SP character died to 10 5mil SP characters that it's not 'fair' should really be looking at why he got caught, not complaining that they ganged up on him.

Different games, different styles.

My advice would be to ignore this particular gem.

A 70m+ SP character in the hands of someone who has no idea what they're doing is a series of hilarious killmails and a whole lot of tears waiting to happen. Pay to win doesn't work in Eve if you don't have the personal skills to back up the SP.

A newbie following this advice, spending money on plex, and buying a high SP character that can fly sweet ships; then getting their arse repeatedly handed to them on a plate, by players with smaller ships and far less SP who do know what they're doing, is probably going to quit.

CCP want to retain more newbies, not lose them.