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Ganking Miners From Wormholes
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Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#1 - 2015-02-23 09:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Nering
so ive been ganking/trying to gank miners in null since... forever with some success. Cool

since every null miner stares at local with their eyes popping out of their head its really hard to gank them because local is so damn good. mostly because it shows you in local long before you loaded grid. (try it out its disgusting)

or worse.....they are botting. <.<

usually i find them while scanning in a covert ops. so what i do is i mark a wreck or some clue i find as to where they are mining and then i wait 20 mins out of the system. then i come back in a interceptor/sabre and warp to the bookmark i made. tackle what i can and i get a buddy to start bustin heads.Twisted

the thing is i still miss them sometimes! (it just happened about a min ago.....i mad Cry) Usually i just tell myself that i need to train Gittin Gud to V but i have a hard time believing that im doing something wrong when i load grid, insta warp to a bookmark right on top of my target while flying THE FASTEST SHIP IN THE GAME.

Questionmaybe some of you have a better method? is it bad to report these players if im just.... pretty sure they are bots?

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Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-02-23 10:25:23 UTC
Some certainly are bots, but most nullbears are just trained to watch local like a hawk.

You could try logging off in the site they were in with your dictor/ceptor. That way you have the shortest possible warp distance. You need to make sure that you don't have any timers from rats.
Another thing would by figuring out where they are warping out to and try to catch them there with a bubble. (bubble needs to be up before they initiate warp though.)


Oh and remember: every time they evade you it only makes the moment when you do finally catch them just so much sweeter.Blink
Happy hunting!
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#3 - 2015-02-23 10:35:07 UTC
stratios + sabre is best miner gank setup.
Gunz blazing Ronuken
Insane's Asylum
#4 - 2015-02-23 10:50:15 UTC
You could try tackle with cov op frig, very risky but depends on how quick the miners can unleash their drones on you.
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#5 - 2015-02-23 11:47:30 UTC
to counter gank you can have cloaky proteus next to you .
optional when you warp on belts do this
warp 100km . eject secure container move 5000m from it , launch small mobile bubble and let it anchor.
bookmark asteroid
warp to pos
warp to bookmark and mine almost safely,
if you warp to anomaly you land in your own bubble! dont do this , warp bookmark instead

of course it wont work on interceptors and nullified t3 ships. but bubble will catch all other ships and if land eoungh close to container it will decloak eventual hostile so you have extra few seconds to warp away and save your ship.

mining alone is always risk but if you have all holes closed you should do waht u want unless some1 logged out in your wh :D
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#6 - 2015-02-23 12:05:22 UTC
While I will never understand why people are exclusively looking for non shooting targets, I would say,
that entering wormhole space with the focus on ganking miners will be very tedious.
Expect to see a lot of ventures and a retriever here and then while some are just bait.
Good luck though!
HTC NecoSino
Suddenly Carebears
Verlate
#7 - 2015-02-23 13:36:57 UTC
Generally I have given up on ganking miners.
However, getting them to reship and try to shoot me? Those are the fun times. One time a guy brought his farming marauder to try to scare off a frigate we had tackled a miner with. I don't need to tell you how the rest of that played out Cool
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-02-23 13:59:18 UTC
get something cloaky <20km
warp sabre in
???
proft

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#9 - 2015-02-23 14:47:06 UTC
He's complaining that local is giving the miners a bit of s unfair advantage, but we all know that.
It's one of the reasons us wormholers don't like k-space, damn care bear Disneyland. Roll

Yaay!!!!
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-02-23 16:10:08 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
He's complaining that local is giving the miners a bit of s unfair advantage, but we all know that.
It's one of the reasons us wormholers don't like k-space, damn care bear Disneyland. Roll



This

It is hilarious all these Null "pvpers" complaining that highsec is so safe all the while putting a darn magnifying glass on their local cloaking up every time +1 happens.

Remove local from null before any one starts talking about how much more dangerous null is.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#11 - 2015-02-23 17:34:04 UTC
*Wormholes are risk-free ISK*, is something I heard lots of people say about once.
Agent Unknown
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-02-23 18:45:17 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
*Wormholes are risk-free ISK*, is something I heard lots of people say about once.


Clearly those people visit the forums more than wormholes.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-02-23 18:52:44 UTC
Agent Unknown wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
*Wormholes are risk-free ISK*, is something I heard lots of people say about once.


Clearly those people visit the forums more than wormholes.



No no no, High sec is WOW, WH's is carebear paradise, Lowsec is just missing easier targets and Null sec is where *chestbeat* Real Danger is...

#HTFUChurch

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#14 - 2015-02-23 20:09:17 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
He's complaining that local is giving the miners a bit of s unfair advantage, but we all know that.
It's one of the reasons us wormholers don't like k-space, damn care bear Disneyland. Roll


Wh's calling nullsecers carebears is certainly the pot calling the kettle black. When I day trip into wh's, I rarely find anyone who is actually active, but on the rare occasions that I do, the reaction is invariably the same - as soon as they see a hint of trouble, e.g. a blip on ds which they are madly spamming, its off to a pos where they either log off or go afk while playing something else.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#15 - 2015-02-23 20:17:18 UTC
Jack Hayson wrote:
Some certainly are bots, but most nullbears are just trained to watch local like a hawk.

You could try logging off in the site they were in with your dictor/ceptor. That way you have the shortest possible warp distance. You need to make sure that you don't have any timers from rats.
Another thing would by figuring out where they are warping out to and try to catch them there with a bubble. (bubble needs to be up before they initiate warp though.)


Oh and remember: every time they evade you it only makes the moment when you do finally catch them just so much sweeter.Blink
Happy hunting!


yeah i guess ill upgrade to logoff-skiz. thanks.

its amazing how many ppl are off topic in this thread/didnt read/cant read.

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Agent Unknown
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-02-23 20:46:31 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Agent Unknown wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
*Wormholes are risk-free ISK*, is something I heard lots of people say about once.


Clearly those people visit the forums more than wormholes.



No no no, High sec is WOW, WH's is carebear paradise, Lowsec is just missing easier targets and Null sec is where *chestbeat* Real Danger is...

#HTFUChurch


Sov null is safer than anywhere else in some cases.

But to the OP's actual topic at hand...you'll only really catch people who aren't paying attention or are actually bots with most methods. Logoff traps sometimes work, but not always since you'll be reported in intel channels as such (leaving system but not reported anywhere else, for example) and people will pay better attention until they know you're gone.
HTC NecoSino
Suddenly Carebears
Verlate
#17 - 2015-02-23 20:59:13 UTC
Welcome to the WH forum.
Iris Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#18 - 2015-02-23 22:35:25 UTC
You need to do more work if you want miner kills. Miners are the slipperiest people to catch in null. You need to get a blue alt and then be very careful not to get caught. Use blue to find targets Twisted
Kyle Lonestar
Stryker Industries
Stryker Group
#19 - 2015-02-24 16:49:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyle Lonestar
2 options really.

1 - Log off where you need to be.
2 - Find the closest system exit to your bookmark and make sure thats where you leave/return from. It will minimize your distance thus cut down the time you spend in warp. If that means scanning a new wormhole to hide in, so be it. But make sure you entry point into the system is as close to you bookmark as possible.


Really #1 is by far the best option when it comes to null hunting.

Wormholes though are a bit easier in that regard. No local to give away your presence. Just be careful, I've known people who bait in mining ships trying to take out bombers.
Maxxor Brutor
Borderline Procurements
#20 - 2015-02-24 17:35:40 UTC
We had a nice fight with a brave newbies guy multi boxing 7 procurers the other day. As it was a frig connection we first derped around with bombers but the miners warped off and we had some guy entering our pub chat telling us not to mess with them.

Quite some time later we just yoloed in a dic + hic plus random frigs and the guy was still sitting in the same site. In the end we lost more than we killed but 10/10 would derp again.
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