Science & Industry

Large towers were 110k m^3 IIRC, now they're 140k m^3.

They could use up to 228.5 m^3/hour at full grid/CPU load (20 days 1 hour until refuel), now they always use 200 m^3/hour (29 days 4 hours until refuel).
That's large non-faction towers in area without sov fuel benefits.

Granted, you COULD have a large tower loaded with near-maxed CPU and moderate grid usage (say, a large caldari tower with 12 assorted labs, 3 equipment arrays and a corp hangar, so, about 99% CPU and 66% grid used, or 207.7 m^3/hour total - which is already more than you use now), in which case your tower would last 22+ days before a refill was needed, but that's still under the 29+ days you get now.

You say you had 3 large towers (2 regular caldari and 1 true sansha), with less than 960k m^3 of fuel used in 90 days.
You also say your towers used up nearly all of the power and about half of the CPU.

IF your statements are correct, your caldari towers (before any sov fuel benefits, if any) would have used up somewhere around 195 m^3 of fuel per hour, about as much as they are using now (200 m^3/hour). You needed to refill them every 564 hours or so (23 days and a half).
Your TS tower would have probably used a less fuel per hour, no idea exactly how much less, but let's guesstimate around 145 m^3/hour, give or take (refills every 758 hours or thereabouts, so a bit over 31 days and a half). TS is the second tier, it used to have a rough -25% fuel use, right ? Not so good with faction towers.

Before any sov fuel bonuses, 90 days of fuel (4+ refills) should have needed roughly 1,155,600 m^3 of fuel.
This means you were getting sov fuel benefits of AT LEAST -17%, so I can only assume the actual bonus was -20%.
That would put your actual fuel need for 90 days at around 924,480 m^3.

And your refill intervals at around 705 hours for the caldari towers (29+ days) and around 947 hours for the TS tower (39+ days).


The large caldari control towers before any sov benefits have a full load of 140k m^3 for 700 hours each, and need 432,000 m^3 of fuel cubes for 90 days.
The TS tower (again, second tier, right?) only uses 32 blocks (again, before sov bonuses, if any) instead of 40, so a full load of 140k will last 875 hours (36 days 11 hours), and need 345,600 m^3 of fuel cubes for 90 days.

Grand total BEFORE SOV FUEL BONUSES, IF ANY APPLY would be 1,209,000 m^3.
That's only 53,400 m^3 more than before (assuming towers in a no-sov-fuel-reduction area), or a measly +4.62% extra.

Assuming the same -20% fuel reduction for sov still applies after this patch, the fuel you need for 90 days should be 967,200 m^3.
That's only 42,720 m^3 more than before (assuming the sov-based fuel reduction still applies), for the same measly +4.62% extra fuel volume.

If the fuel bonus of -20% will still apply, then your fuel pellet usage will be only 160 (caldari) and either 125 or 130 (TS) m^3/hour, yielding a full refill time of functioning of 875 and either 1,076 or 1,120 hours, respectively (36+ days and almost 45 or 46+ days between refills).

OR are you telling us that sov fuel benefits no longer exist after this patch ?!?
If so, THAT is your problem, not the fuel pellets.
And it would still only be about 25% more fuel volume because of that, combined with the less than 5% from before, only about 30% extra volume total, not over 40% as you seem to fear.

So, do sov fuel benefits still exist after the patch or not ?
Maybe you just forgot to include them in manually, if they're not displayed properly but they still exist.

They're not cramming it into the tower itself all at the same time, they're just shipping it once every 3 months from (probably) highsec to wherever they live using a single regular freighter.

P.S. Again, the OP's issue is not REALLY with the transition to fuel blocks... it's about whether or not the sov fuel discount will still apply to fuel blocks too, and if yes, where can he see that discount displayed now.
The OP is assuming the sov fuel discount will no longer apply... or, at least, that's what he's basing his volume calculations on... apparently.
See post above for more details.

sov and faction tower bonuses still exist, they reintroduced them as part of increasing fuel block counts by 10 and cutting size by 10

In that case, you could not have moved ALL the fuel you needed for 90 days for all those towers in a single freighter, since you would have needed somewhere around 1,155,600 m^3 for that.

Unless you mean you had some locally-produced PI bits (which can account for a sizable portion of the total fuel volume) and you were only importing the ice products.
In which case, what the bloody hell is stopping you from manufacturing your own fuel cubes locally with imported ice products and locally produced PI goods ?

EITHER WAY, the total amount of fuel volume your towers will use up given your stated current grid and CPU loads will only be LESS THAN 5% HIGHER than it already is.
NOT 40% higher.


32 per hour without sov bonuses.
Again, RIGHT NOW, before fuel pellets, your towers ALREADY consume SOMEWHERE AROUND 1,155,600 m^3 of assorted fuels in a 90-day period.
With after the switchover, your towers will consume 1,209,000 m^3 of fuel pellets in the same 90-day period.

First off, you will not need 1,296,000. You will only need 1,209,000.
And a freighter can not hold 1,155,600 either, and that's roughly how much you ACTUALLY NEED RIGHT NOW TO FEED THOSE EXACT TOWERS YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE AT THOSE USAGE LEVEL YOU CLAIMED FOR EXACTLY 90 DAYS if you get no sov fuel benefits.

You were
-either- NOT importing ALL the fuel bits the towers were using
-or- you were not importing enough fuel for 90 days.


IF you were NOT importing ALL of the fuel bits needed but only some (while producing others locally via PI or mining ice or whatnot else), why can't you keep importing what's missing and manufacturing the fuel blocks locally ? The volume difference will be minimal.

IF you were importing everything, you
-either- might want to recalculate how long your fuel was lasting in reality (probably around 75 days, not 90)
-or- you need to look again at how much grid/CPU your towers were really using (a lot less than you claimed they do)

Either way, your calculations were incorrect.
The only question is which mistake did you make ?

Please let me make this even simpler for you.
You already admitted you are NOT "the fuel guy", so you're most likely missing a crucial piece of the puzzle.
I am only trying to help you reach the correct answer but you're being needlessly aggravating by repeating inaccurate conclusions.

You almost certainly were NOT fueling your system with JUST 960k m^3 of fuels for 90 days.
It was never possible given the info you gave us. So it can't cease being possible.
You WERE making some stuff locally. At least 195k m^3 of it every 90 days, in fact.

If you import what you're missing and manufacture your fuel blocks locally (by including the stuff you used to make there already), you WILL still be able to fuel your system with roughly 960k m^3 of imports for roughly 90 days.
How much less (OR MORE) than 90 days depends on WHAT you were making locally, PI stuff or ice products, and which ones.

None, bays are staying the same, but faction POS get to keep their bonus.

what's the comment you guys usually use for situations like this ...

"I like the cut of your jib."? or something like that...

Tell me ... were you previously shipping in all the ICE you needed for the tower? How about anything else you may have mined locally? Each fuel block now has ALL the components used in fueling the tower, isotopes, heavy water ... if I had to guess you were probably obtaining some of this locally and only shipping in the parts you did not produce locally ... if you want to get back to where you were ... manufacture the fuel blocks on site and only ship in the bits that you don't produce locally.