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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#81 - 2015-02-20 20:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

An Orca is always 100% safe in high-sec because it can do its job sitting outside of a station, and dock at the first sign of trouble.


Unless it's war decced. Or someone REALLY wants it killed, Or it's AFK and one of those. Yeah, it would pretty much have to be AFK. Good thing sitting there in an Orca running the boosts is such exciting game play no one would EVER consider doing it while AFK, huh?

Of course, an AFK Orca can't haul ore, can't switch to the guns I wanna put on it, and can't instalock anything. Hey! I know! Let's make playing an Orca pilot more engaging by giving it the ability to defend it's little mining fleet.

I'm sorry, did you just use afk gameplay as an excuse for buffing the pve play style some more?

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: the high-sec miner. The lowest-common-denominator around which EVE's core gameplay has been balanced for the past five years, and will continue to be balanced for the foreseeable future.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#82 - 2015-02-20 20:51:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


Not really buthurt but buffing an orca so it instalocks is just stupid and yeah ok let just kill a tower and an orca in 1 go, sure he just moves it while it reinforced or gets it repped because towers dont just instapop


Instalocking Orca. Why would that be stupid? It's still a plodding whale in space. It's only combat use is if YOU go to IT... and that's not really in the 'advantage' column. Frigates can insta lock. What, are you afraid people are going to park ORCAS on gate camps to pop escaping capsules?

If you can think of an actual, other than miner defense or defending itself while transporting somethng, tactical use for an instalocking Orca that isn't negated by the fact that it's still a plodding, 700M isk space whale with the mobility of a Mobile Home. (Albeit a well tanked Mobile Home.) I'll rescind my idea.

Instalocking Orca with 8 turret hardpoints? (could be wrong on the 8, just what I think I read).

That would be a huge buff to mining. People wouldn't fit guns on the Orca, they'd fill those highslots with strip miners and/or mining lasers.

Then still complain that they have no ability to fight back.

If you want guns to protect your mining fleet, give up the bonus of the Orca and fly a combat ship; or switch a mining barge/exhumer to a combat ship.

You can pop all the pods you can lock and point/scram then (an instalocking Orca still won't pop pods because pods instawarp).
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#83 - 2015-02-20 20:54:51 UTC
Bel Tika wrote:
Just because you are mining it is no excuse not to train skills to be able to defend yourself


Exactly! I certainly have some. Then when they fix the Orca, I can use those skills to dispense CAPSULE KILLING JUSTICE on those that prey on my flock.
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2015-02-20 21:01:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Demetri Dentrov
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


Not really buthurt but buffing an orca so it instalocks is just stupid and yeah ok let just kill a tower and an orca in 1 go, sure he just moves it while it reinforced or gets it repped because towers dont just instapop


Instalocking Orca. Why would that be stupid? It's still a plodding whale in space. It's only combat use is if YOU go to IT... and that's not really in the 'advantage' column. Frigates can insta lock. What, are you afraid people are going to park ORCAS on gate camps to pop escaping capsules?

If you can think of an actual, other than miner defense or defending itself while transporting somethng, tactical use for an instalocking Orca that isn't negated by the fact that it's still a plodding, 700M isk space whale with the mobility of a Mobile Home. (Albeit a well tanked Mobile Home.) I'll rescind my idea.

Instalocking Orca with 8 turret hardpoints? (could be wrong on the 8, just what I think I read).

That would be a huge buff to mining. People wouldn't fit guns on the Orca, they'd fill those highslots with strip miners and/or mining lasers.

Then still complain that they have no ability to fight back.

If you want guns to protect your mining fleet, give up the bonus of the Orca and fly a combat ship; or switch a mining barge/exhumer to a combat ship.

You can pop all the pods you can lock and point/scram then (an instalocking Orca still won't pop pods because pods instawarp).


Interestingly enough... I thought of that. And I quote: "8 high power slots that can only equip "small" weapons" No mining lasers in those slots. That would simply result in 115K m3 Ore haulers with 400K EHP and 8 mining lasers on them. Which would certainly be a bad idea.

Simply replacing a mining barge with a combat ship just makes mining even LESS cost effective and doesn't address the "Orca in POS" or "Orca parked by station" so they're safe issue. Mining Support ships need to be out in the belts, supporting the mining operation.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#85 - 2015-02-20 21:06:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Interestingly enough... I thought of that. And I quote: "8 high power slots that can only equip "small" weapons" No mining lasers in those slots. That would simply result in 115K m3 Ore haulers with 400K EHP and 8 mining lasers on them. Which would be certainly be a bad idea.

Ships have turret hard-points, which can restrict the turrets that can be fit. Strip miners and mining lasers aren't turrets, so can fill any highslot positions available.

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Simply replacing a mining barge with a combat ship justs makes mining even LESS cost effective and doesn't address the "Orca in POS" or "Orca parked by station" so they're safe issue. Mining Support ships need to be out in the belts, supporting the mining operation.

ISK efficient or safe.

Your choice. Your consequence.

Having your cake and eating it too. Nah, not such a good idea.

But all of this is off topic, since this is a thread about wardecs. Should post your idea to F&I.

As for wardecs, it's not compulsory to stay docked or to not login. That's a choice.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#86 - 2015-02-20 21:07:17 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Thonys Visser wrote:
i think that mechanic needs a better upgrade or solution
I agree, it's called the HTFU player expansion.


Yeah, because players hiding from wardecs are so much more cowardly than players hiding behind them.Roll

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#87 - 2015-02-20 21:38:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

An Orca is always 100% safe in high-sec because it can do its job sitting outside of a station, and dock at the first sign of trouble.


Unless it's war decced. Or someone REALLY wants it killed, Or it's AFK and one of those. Yeah, it would pretty much have to be AFK. Good thing sitting there in an Orca running the boosts is such exciting game play no one would EVER consider doing it while AFK, huh?

Of course, an AFK Orca can't haul ore, can't switch to the guns I wanna put on it, and can't instalock anything. Hey! I know! Let's make playing an Orca pilot more engaging by giving it the ability to defend it's little mining fleet.


you sound buthurt because you want a combat ready instalocking orca that can provide boosts etc from a pos, and people dont agree, pick a different career if your so pissed with how the mining gear functuons, get a pvp ship which is made to use guns ffs

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#88 - 2015-02-20 21:48:36 UTC
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