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Neutral corporations being war decked

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#61 - 2015-02-20 18:42:20 UTC
Thonys Visser wrote:
ps. perhaps a dooms day weapon on a miner is a good gesture perhaps now valued customers understand the impact


Yes, because all highsec wardecs can and will be solved by barges with doomsdays.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2015-02-20 18:47:00 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
It seems that people in this game are sad why war dec a peacful corp that cant fight back..... when i was in high sec we got war dec'd and it just made my corp not pl;ay for a week as they were camped in station.... they couldnt fight back...

This is both un fun and unfair as people PAY to play this game.... so they had to pay to not log in.... which is ridiculous imo.

Yes Eve is a sandbox but doing this doesnt benefit anyone if anything it just makes players leave Eve.... 2 people from my corp decided to go back to WOW because they got camped in a station in our small cvorp against a huge merc corp that war decd us for the sole reason that the majority of the corp mined... and they dont have the balls to go and get fair fights.... so they pick on miners/industrialists.... they then proceeded to camp the station making playing either ridiculously unfun or not an option....

IMO the whole WAR dec system needs looking at.

Cancel sub and uninstall, problem solved. Its not happy happy carebear land, its everybody carries a gun and looking to use it cause we are all paranoid killers.
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#63 - 2015-02-20 18:48:55 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


No its not because everyone would be running around in tanked up skiffs doomsdaying everything they see


No no... Procurers would be the ship of choice... why use a 200M ship with a Doomsday when a 20M ship with a Doomsday will do? Jita would literally burn. That would be so awesome.

No, CCP has enough sense not to do that, for the obvious reason. We are second class citizens, and that isn't going to change. If it were up to me (Hint: It is not.) I would fix the problem by changing the Orca. I would give Orcas:

1) 8 high power slots that can only equip "small" weapons and are inactive when the boost slots are running.
2) near instant targeting.
3) Add a "isk / min" fleet option to promote public fleets.
4) Specifically tell Orca pilots that they should be in NPC corps to protect themselves from war decs.

The high power slots won't even give it the power of a Catalyst, since the lack of usable low power slots prevent a lot of turret support mods. The instant targeting is specifically to allow it to pop ganker capsules.

Of course, a new sport would be to try to get the Orca pilot to open fire on a non-legal target... thus getting a 700M ship hilariously obliterated by CONCORD.

Lots of risk. Lots of reward. I like it.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#64 - 2015-02-20 19:07:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Demetri Dentrov wrote:


You are not the valued customer here. You are the CONTENT for the valued customers.


This is why night clubs often have 'women get in free' promotions, because they know that's what men go to clubs for (if they want to drink and dance they can do that at home lol) so its win win for them, men and women are there and buying drinks which makes up for any loss of the door cover charges lol.

ie CCP should have a "miners play free" promotion every weekend Twisted


That idea might actually have some legs to it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Serene Repose
#65 - 2015-02-20 19:14:29 UTC
It's a legitimate question, however asking it is like playing Mozart to a cage filled with poo flinging chimpanzees. Cool

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#66 - 2015-02-20 19:15:42 UTC
If you think ganking miners is fun, then you're the guy who takes his date to watch them unload produce at Publix.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#67 - 2015-02-20 19:19:31 UTC
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


No its not because everyone would be running around in tanked up skiffs doomsdaying everything they see


No no... Procurers would be the ship of choice... why use a 200M ship with a Doomsday when a 20M ship with a Doomsday will do? Jita would literally burn. That would be so awesome.

No, CCP has enough sense not to do that, for the obvious reason. We are second class citizens, and that isn't going to change. If it were up to me (Hint: It is not.) I would fix the problem by changing the Orca. I would give Orcas:

1) 8 high power slots that can only equip "small" weapons and are inactive when the boost slots are running.
2) near instant targeting.
3) Add a "isk / min" fleet option to promote public fleets.
4) Specifically tell Orca pilots that they should be in NPC corps to protect themselves from war decs.

The high power slots won't even give it the power of a Catalyst, since the lack of usable low power slots prevent a lot of turret support mods. The instant targeting is specifically to allow it to pop ganker capsules.

Of course, a new sport would be to try to get the Orca pilot to open fire on a non-legal target... thus getting a 700M ship hilariously obliterated by CONCORD.

Lots of risk. Lots of reward. I like it.


From what im aware orcas can boost from behind pos shields, that alone doesnt sound fair when nothing combat orientated can, orca doesnt need anything else buffed in my opinion

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#68 - 2015-02-20 19:29:55 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:

From what im aware orcas can boost from behind pos shields, that alone doesnt sound fair when nothing combat orientated can, orca doesnt need anything else buffed in my opinion


Can't do that while in an NPC corp. If you're going to get all buthurt over an Orca boosting from a POS shield, war dec it and bring in a crew to remove it. That corp then loses the Orca AND the POS.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#69 - 2015-02-20 19:44:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

From what im aware orcas can boost from behind pos shields, that alone doesnt sound fair when nothing combat orientated can, orca doesnt need anything else buffed in my opinion


Can't do that while in an NPC corp. If you're going to get all buthurt over an Orca boosting from a POS shield, war dec it and bring in a crew to remove it. That corp then loses the Orca AND the POS.


Because the Orca magically logs in again and won't move after downtime while you wait for the stront timer to run out. Roll

Amazing double standards for equivalent game mechanics, with the only difference being their effect on pvp or pve.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#70 - 2015-02-20 19:49:43 UTC
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

From what im aware orcas can boost from behind pos shields, that alone doesnt sound fair when nothing combat orientated can, orca doesnt need anything else buffed in my opinion


Can't do that while in an NPC corp. If you're going to get all buthurt over an Orca boosting from a POS shield, war dec it and bring in a crew to remove it. That corp then loses the Orca AND the POS.



Not really buthurt but buffing an orca so it instalocks is just stupid and yeah ok let just kill a tower and an orca in 1 go, sure he just moves it while it reinforced or gets it repped because towers dont just instapop

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#71 - 2015-02-20 19:53:08 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

From what im aware orcas can boost from behind pos shields, that alone doesnt sound fair when nothing combat orientated can, orca doesnt need anything else buffed in my opinion


Can't do that while in an NPC corp. If you're going to get all buthurt over an Orca boosting from a POS shield, war dec it and bring in a crew to remove it. That corp then loses the Orca AND the POS.


Because the Orca magically logs in again and won't move after downtime while you wait for the stront timer to run out. Roll

Amazing double standards for equivalent game mechanics, with the only difference being their effect on pvp or pve.


It's still war decced. You still get to destroy the POS. And now the Orca, even if it drops corp... is no longer protected by a POS. Yes yes... I know we second class citizens shouldn't talk back to our masters.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#72 - 2015-02-20 19:56:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
spoke too soon. re-edit once I finish training reading comprehension.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#73 - 2015-02-20 20:05:07 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
spoke too soon. re-edit once I finish training reading comprehension.


How dare you.

Misinterpretation, misinformation and misunderstandings form the cornerstone for quality General Discussion posting. Be proud of who you are. Sometimes good points and ideas go unsaid or get edited out because they may have been said in response to something taken out of context or based off an incorrect assumption.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#74 - 2015-02-20 20:05:51 UTC
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Can't do that while in an NPC corp. If you're going to get all buthurt over an Orca boosting from a POS shield, war dec it and bring in a crew to remove it. That corp then loses the Orca AND the POS.


Because the Orca magically logs in again and won't move after downtime while you wait for the stront timer to run out. Roll

Amazing double standards for equivalent game mechanics, with the only difference being their effect on pvp or pve.


It's still war decced. You still get to destroy the POS. And now the Orca, even if it drops corp... is no longer protected by a POS. Yes yes... I know we second class citizens shouldn't talk back to our masters.

Does it cross your mind at all that a boosting Orca is effectively invulnerable despite the best efforts of the aggressors to kill it?

The problem isn't with second-class citizens, but with third-class logical comprehension.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#75 - 2015-02-20 20:13:47 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


Not really buthurt but buffing an orca so it instalocks is just stupid and yeah ok let just kill a tower and an orca in 1 go, sure he just moves it while it reinforced or gets it repped because towers dont just instapop


Instalocking Orca. Why would that be stupid? It's still a plodding whale in space. It's only combat use is if YOU go to IT... and that's not really in the 'advantage' column. Frigates can insta lock. What, are you afraid people are going to park ORCAS on gate camps to pop escaping capsules?

If you can think of an actual, other than miner defense or defending itself while transporting somethng, tactical use for an instalocking Orca that isn't negated by the fact that it's still a plodding, 700M isk space whale with the mobility of a Mobile Home. (Albeit a well tanked Mobile Home.) I'll rescind my idea.
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#76 - 2015-02-20 20:22:55 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Does it cross your mind at all that a boosting Orca is effectively invulnerable despite the best efforts of the aggressors to kill it?

The problem isn't with second-class citizens, but with third-class logical comprehension.


Yeah, because that Orca was just so in your face and keeping you from playing the game. Don't like it? Play the long game. Blow up the POS. Keep blowing them up until no Orca is safe aver again. Teach those miners a lesson on interfering with their masters!
Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2015-02-20 20:26:39 UTC
Just because you are mining it is no excuse not to train skills to be able to defend yourself
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#78 - 2015-02-20 20:29:42 UTC
Demetri Dentrov wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Does it cross your mind at all that a boosting Orca is effectively invulnerable despite the best efforts of the aggressors to kill it?

The problem isn't with second-class citizens, but with third-class logical comprehension.


Yeah, because that Orca was just so in your face and keeping you from playing the game. Don't like it? Play the long game. Blow up the POS. Keep blowing them up until no Orca is safe aver again. Teach those miners a lesson on interfering with their masters!

An Orca is always 100% safe in high-sec because it can do its job sitting outside of a station, and dock at the first sign of trouble.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#79 - 2015-02-20 20:45:35 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

An Orca is always 100% safe in high-sec because it can do its job sitting outside of a station, and dock at the first sign of trouble.


Unless it's war decced. Or someone REALLY wants it killed, Or it's AFK and one of those. Yeah, it would pretty much have to be AFK. Good thing sitting there in an Orca running the boosts is such exciting game play no one would EVER consider doing it while AFK, huh?

Of course, an AFK Orca can't haul ore, can't switch to the guns I wanna put on it, and can't instalock anything. Hey! I know! Let's make playing an Orca pilot more engaging by giving it the ability to defend it's little mining fleet.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#80 - 2015-02-20 20:46:55 UTC
Orca - EvE Brick

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.