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Neutral corporations being war decked

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Phugoid
Absolute Order XL
Absolute Honor
#21 - 2015-02-20 13:22:00 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
It's because this is a PVP game, and wars, just like in RL, don't have to be agreeable by all parties. For example, Poland probably didn't like it when Germany invaded.


Don't forget a small fact, 2 weeks after Germany invaded, Russia invaded from the other side :P poor Poles

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Brutus Utama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-02-20 13:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Brutus Utama
It seems that people in this game are sad why war dec a peacful corp that cant fight back..... when i was in high sec we got war dec'd and it just made my corp not pl;ay for a week as they were camped in station.... they couldnt fight back...

This is both un fun and unfair as people PAY to play this game.... so they had to pay to not log in.... which is ridiculous imo.

Yes Eve is a sandbox but doing this doesnt benefit anyone if anything it just makes players leave Eve.... 2 people from my corp decided to go back to WOW because they got camped in a station in our small cvorp against a huge merc corp that war decd us for the sole reason that the majority of the corp mined... and they dont have the balls to go and get fair fights.... so they pick on miners/industrialists.... they then proceeded to camp the station making playing either ridiculously unfun or not an option....

IMO the whole WAR dec system needs looking at.
Tora Bushido
From Hisec with Love Holdings
From Hisec with Love Coalition
#23 - 2015-02-20 13:35:23 UTC
Thonys Visser wrote:
i think that mechanic needs a better upgrade or solution
I agree, it's called the HTFU player expansion.

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

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Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-02-20 13:40:28 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
It seems that people in this game are sad why war dec a peacful corp that cant fight back..... when i was in high sec we got war dec'd and it just made my corp not pl;ay for a week as they were camped in station.... they couldnt fight back...

This is both un fun and unfair as people PAY to play this game.... so they had to pay to not log in.... which is ridiculous imo.

Yes Eve is a sandbox but doing this doesnt benefit anyone if anything it just makes players leave Eve.... 2 people from my corp decided to go back to WOW because they got camped in a station in our small cvorp against a huge merc corp that war decd us for the sole reason that the majority of the corp mined... and they dont have the balls to go and get fair fights.... so they pick on miners/industrialists.... they then proceeded to camp the station making playing either ridiculously unfun or not an option....

IMO the whole WAR dec system needs looking at.



If this is what you do when your war deced your doing it wrong.

I've been war deced several times when living in highsec. I just moved empires never got hit. Mined a **** ton of ore.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#25 - 2015-02-20 14:00:42 UTC
Thonys Visser wrote:
hi all,

I was wandering why a treu neurtal corporation (passive corp)
can be war decked by anny corporation randomly in Hs

what i mean is that a real carebear mining group with no intention to war or anny aggression
is just being war decked random
there is no tactics or diplomacy involved at all
there is the space councel (doing nothing)
Concord (doing nothing)

it all ends up in no fights
and only compulsory holidays

what ends up in a disbanded player base in the long run

i think that mechanic needs a better upgrade or solution
Just get all of your guys into a private chat channel, then disband the corp and all live in NPC corps. That way you still get to hang out and you don't have wardecs. In addition, every player that starts living in an NPC corp makes a wardeccer cry.

Truly though, unless your corp is pure PvP there's no reason to try to form a large corp in highsec. If you need a POS, then one character can run a solo cop with just that POS.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#26 - 2015-02-20 14:02:18 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Thonys Visser wrote:
i think that mechanic needs a better upgrade or solution
I agree, it's called the HTFU player expansion.
I honestly can't wait to see your response when CCP takes a good look at wardecs, and that is going to happen whether you manage to convince gullible fools into voting you onto the CSM or not.

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Bklyn 1
MUSE Buy-n-Large
#27 - 2015-02-20 14:03:26 UTC
Queue up the nerd responses:



-htfu (can't believe nerds still use this one, but they do)

-get out of high sec

-get friends

-Eve is a cold harsh place

-go back to WoW



I think I covered all the main ones. Let me know if I missed any.
Tora Bushido
From Hisec with Love Holdings
From Hisec with Love Coalition
#28 - 2015-02-20 14:05:52 UTC
https://twitter.com/CCP_Punkturis/status/568771287780343808

CCP aint care bears, they are awesome Vikings ! Pirate

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

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Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-02-20 14:12:00 UTC
Oh dear.

Though I will not be doing so, you have just painted a rather large target on your corp What?.

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2015-02-20 14:25:59 UTC
Thonys Visser wrote:
hi all,

I was wandering why a treu neurtal corporation (passive corp)
can be war decked by anny corporation randomly in Hs

what i mean is that a real carebear mining group with no intention to war or anny aggression
is just being war decked random
there is no tactics or diplomacy involved at all
there is the space councel (doing nothing)
Concord (doing nothing)

it all ends up in no fights
and only compulsory holidays

what ends up in a disbanded player base in the long run

i think that mechanic needs a better upgrade or solution







You could always fight or pay some to fight for you.

If youre too ineffectual or poor to do either, then consider relocating, or maybe that you weren't ready to be an independent Corp yet.

Neutral is a synonym for hostile in EvE

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#31 - 2015-02-20 14:39:32 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Thonys Visser wrote:


I was wandering why a treu neurtal corporation (passive corp)
can be war decked by anny corporation randomly in Hs


Mining IS aggression, against the wallets of other miners. That makes you fair game.



Not to mention the rocks. The rocks, people!!! Why doesn't anyone ever think of the rocks?!

These miners go out in their fancy-dancy ships and they just laser-**** those poor rocks for hours and hours at a time.

It's disgusting. Some of my best friends are rocks, you know.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-02-20 15:34:01 UTC
Thonys Visser wrote:

what i mean is that a real carebear mining group with no intention to war or anny aggression


Are you mining resources that someone else wants to mine? You are of course, which makes you a perfectly legitimate target if for no other reason than to force you to move out of the area. There are dozens of other reasons to dec any corp in high sec.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#33 - 2015-02-20 15:36:28 UTC
Bklyn 1 wrote:
Queue up the nerd responses:



-htfu (can't believe nerds still use this one, but they do)

-get out of high sec

-get friends

-Eve is a cold harsh place

-go back to WoW



I think I covered all the main ones. Let me know if I missed any.

Yea you did. Have an insta undock. Problem solved. Avoiding lamo HS wardecs is about as easy as "check local" hmm use insta undock. It is less of an inconvenience than that stupid dialog telling me about DT in 5mins.

AKA the scientist.

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K'Toll
Golden-Raptor
#34 - 2015-02-20 15:40:04 UTC
Space Council?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#35 - 2015-02-20 15:45:37 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
https://twitter.com/CCP_Punkturis/status/568771287780343808

CCP aint care bears, they are awesome Vikings ! Pirate



Sorry you are wrong. They have cloths on.

Real HTFU in that situation is buck naked slathered in oil with at least 6 more women there ready to wrestle for glory in freezing temperatures. I know that would keep me 'warm' at least...
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#36 - 2015-02-20 15:50:28 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Thonys Visser wrote:

what i mean is that a real carebear mining group with no intention to war or anny aggression


Are you mining resources that someone else wants to mine? You are of course, which makes you a perfectly legitimate target if for no other reason than to force you to move out of the area. There are dozens of other reasons to dec any corp in high sec.


Exactly.

The OP is just more "I should be left alone to play how I want even though what I'm doing has an affect on other people" thinking that comes naturally from some people. They honestly can't see the double standard involved.

I can, I know the 'price' I pay to pve in this kind of game is dealing with the potential for interference, so I incorporate that potential into my gameplay, and use it to measure my effectiveness in the game. "How many times I don't die doing pve while people are trying to kill me" is every bit as valuable a measure of how I'm progressing in the game as "how much isk is in my wallet" is.

But some people don't want to play a game, they want to just succeed without thought or effort, because they paid for it!
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-02-20 15:54:40 UTC
Welcome to Eve!

What you are failing to understand, is that as a Miner / Miner support you are flying a ship that by design, is essentially unarmed against anything that is not a belt rat. You are in an area specifically designed for your ships, and with a isk / hour return that economically prevents you from hiring other ships with superior weapons to protect you.

You are not the valued customer here. You are the CONTENT for the valued customers.

If you want to be a neutral miner, you need to remove yourself from the "content pool" by disbanding your corp and only using adequately tanked ships. That will protect you from war decs and casual gankers.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#38 - 2015-02-20 16:02:08 UTC
Demetri Dentrov wrote:


You are not the valued customer here. You are the CONTENT for the valued customers.


This is why night clubs often have 'women get in free' promotions, because they know that's what men go to clubs for (if they want to drink and dance they can do that at home lol) so its win win for them, men and women are there and buying drinks which makes up for any loss of the door cover charges lol.

ie CCP should have a "miners play free" promotion every weekend Twisted
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-02-20 16:22:24 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

ie CCP should have a "miners play free" promotion every weekend Twisted


I like it! And for every tanking component you DON'T have (DC2, Reinforced Bulkhead, Shield rig, etc.) You get 10% EXTRA yield! (Up to 50% extra yield, all rules and disclaimers apply. Extra yield is NOT guaranteed. Excessive mining can cause hair loss, uncontrolled crying, and extreme boredom. Read all warning labels before using product.)
Thonys Visser
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-02-20 16:55:40 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
It seems that people in this game are sad why war dec a peacful corp that cant fight back..... when i was in high sec we got war dec'd and it just made my corp not pl;ay for a week as they were camped in station.... they couldnt fight back...

This is both un fun and unfair as people PAY to play this game.... so they had to pay to not log in.... which is ridiculous imo.

Yes Eve is a sandbox but doing this doesnt benefit anyone if anything it just makes players leave Eve.... 2 people from my corp decided to go back to WOW because they got camped in a station in our small cvorp against a huge merc corp that war decd us for the sole reason that the majority of the corp mined... and they dont have the balls to go and get fair fights.... so they pick on miners/industrialists.... they then proceeded to camp the station making playing either ridiculously unfun or not an option....

IMO the whole WAR dec system needs looking at.


it is just this situation you just describe we are into also
And i totally agree with you ..

it is unfair for paying costumers

i give a little example
we have a 60 people corporation
54 not active because of war-decks and 10 active (to keep things going)
50 x 14.95 monthly descriptions =€ 807.40 whats cccp = missing now every month from a group of 67 members (from just one (1) corporation)

and yes if people stay away for a month you can asume they stay away because of lost of interest
(they simply forget the game)

nice ads and movies are not bringing them all back...

so i really do think they are in need of a good working mechanic for wardecking
and it is in need to do it fast they loose every day money on this unwanted system