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Gevlon Goblin and the Mercenary Community
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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#41 - 2015-02-22 02:22:26 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mercs are basically useless in the game...might as well disband them all and find something useful to do.


That's going a bit far. How do you reach such a conclusion? I know of many mercs that have great fun playing the game! Why should they stop doing what they enjoy?


Because it's not "Veers approved". Roll


Good catch - the wild ineffectiveness of highsec mercs due to the simple ability to drop corp, or restrict yourself to low value ships, is a result of them lack the official Veers Belvar seal of approval.

Roll


By that logic all pvp is ineffective due to the ability for people to stay docked, log off and go play Chivalry. Roll
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#42 - 2015-02-22 02:28:29 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mercs are basically useless in the game...might as well disband them all and find something useful to do.


That's going a bit far. How do you reach such a conclusion? I know of many mercs that have great fun playing the game! Why should they stop doing what they enjoy?


Because it's not "Veers approved". Roll


Good catch - the wild ineffectiveness of highsec mercs due to the simple ability to drop corp, or restrict yourself to low value ships, is a result of them lack the official Veers Belvar seal of approval.

Roll


By that logic all pvp is ineffective due to the ability for people to stay docked, log off and go play Chivalry. Roll


Except that forcing people to quit the game is certainly an in game accomplishment. Forcing people to trivially drop and reform corp, or accomplish precisely the same in game objectives in cheap ships is not. Roll
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#43 - 2015-02-22 02:29:46 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Grr Goblin?


You're back!
Indeed I am, and I come back to find that the usual suspects are still peddling their delusional bullshit....


How many times do I have to tell you, dammit? I'm not frikkin' delusional - the voices told me to do it!

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#44 - 2015-02-22 02:44:18 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Except that forcing people to quit the game is certainly an in game accomplishment. Forcing people to trivially drop and reform corp, or accomplish precisely the same in game objectives in cheap ships is not.


Dropping, reforming corps, being forced to fly a worse ship, these are all factors which can be demoralizing and frustrating. If it was so easy to do, then no one would ever die in highsec.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#45 - 2015-02-22 02:48:30 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Except that forcing people to quit the game is certainly an in game accomplishment. Forcing people to trivially drop and reform corp, or accomplish precisely the same in game objectives in cheap ships is not.


Dropping, reforming corps, being forced to fly a worse ship, these are all factors which can be demoralizing and frustrating. If it was so easy to do, then no one would ever die in highsec.


Demoralizing and frustrating to spend 37 seconds dropping and reforming corp? Here is a news flash - the only folks really dying in highsec are new players, casual players, and criminally negligent bittervets. Anyone with minimal experience and practicing routine cautionary measures essentially never experiences an involuntary loss.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#46 - 2015-02-22 02:52:15 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Except that forcing people to quit the game is certainly an in game accomplishment. Forcing people to trivially drop and reform corp, or accomplish precisely the same in game objectives in cheap ships is not.


Dropping, reforming corps, being forced to fly a worse ship, these are all factors which can be demoralizing and frustrating. If it was so easy to do, then no one would ever die in highsec.


Demoralizing and frustrating to spend 37 seconds dropping and reforming corp? Here is a news flash - the only folks really dying in highsec are new players, casual players, and criminally negligent bittervets. Anyone with minimal experience and practicing routine cautionary measures essentially never experiences an involuntary loss.


You could also say "anyone that does X Y and Z never dies in Eve so your pvp is ineffective." Ugh
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#47 - 2015-02-22 03:05:54 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Except that forcing people to quit the game is certainly an in game accomplishment. Forcing people to trivially drop and reform corp, or accomplish precisely the same in game objectives in cheap ships is not.


Dropping, reforming corps, being forced to fly a worse ship, these are all factors which can be demoralizing and frustrating. If it was so easy to do, then no one would ever die in highsec.


Demoralizing and frustrating to spend 37 seconds dropping and reforming corp? Here is a news flash - the only folks really dying in highsec are new players, casual players, and criminally negligent bittervets. Anyone with minimal experience and practicing routine cautionary measures essentially never experiences an involuntary loss.


You could also say "anyone that does X Y and Z never dies in Eve so your pvp is ineffective." Ugh


No, people who operate in nullsec certainly die routinely. Ditto for suicide ganking victims, etc... But as far as mercs, the ability to effortlessly drop corp makes them well neigh useless.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-02-22 03:30:57 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
But as far as mercs, the ability to effortlessly drop corp makes them well neigh useless.


Think of the miners and industrialists! Would they sell as much ore and new ships if it weren't for mercs creating demand for new ships?

Obviously in your case, with your superior understanding of the game, the mercs cannot hope to cause you harm, but not all players are on your level Veers.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#49 - 2015-02-22 04:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph IX Basarab
Well Veers for a large portion of the Eve population dropping corp every time you have to go through highsec is too much of a bother and a disruptive hassle. If mercs were so ineffective, none of them would be getting business and no one would ever die in hs...so deal with it. Cool


Edit: Gobbling Goblin...this ...Clearly Forsaken has trouble killing 2.5 bil per week. Blink
Elliott Spitzer
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-02-23 17:29:27 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
:munch:

Confirming that MOA and -EH- are the most impressive forces Gevlon has ever seen.



Baffles me why he thinks giving money to them somehow affects anything. It's like paying rain to be wet...MoA would be shooting CFC regardless of what money Goblin paid.


It allows Gevlon to claim those killmails for himself. That's why he only pays for war-dec fees.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#51 - 2015-02-23 20:25:54 UTC
Am I a bad man if I just like killing **** ? Oops

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2015-02-23 20:38:34 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Am I a bad man if I just like killing **** ? Oops


No worse than most of us.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#53 - 2015-02-23 23:08:21 UTC
Gelvon fails to understand by just paying the Dec fee and not more then that goons become nothing more than targets of opportunity. Gelvon expect us to meet your quotas every week without making them known and not paying us more to focus on your target.
As mercs we take on multitude of contracts where we make a profit to focus on the wars. Gelvon wanted us to focus without paying more, which was never going to happen. I do like the extra targets, but not being paid extra for a quota match is just bad business practices.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#54 - 2015-02-24 00:18:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Renegade Heart
Saeger1737 wrote:
Gelvon fails to understand by just paying the Dec fee and not more then that goons become nothing more than targets of opportunity. Gelvon expect us to meet your quotas every week without making them known and not paying us more to focus on your target.
As mercs we take on multitude of contracts where we make a profit to focus on the wars. Gelvon wanted us to focus without paying more, which was never going to happen. I do like the extra targets, but not being paid extra for a quota match is just bad business practices.


Totally agree with this. His expectations are too high for what he offers as payment.


If it was down to me to set a price, assuming he wanted 30 mercs to spend 2 hours per day focusing solely on hunting Goons, then a fair payment might be about 100 mil per merc per hour.

So in that case he should pay 6 billion per day (in addition to base war dec fee).

[edit] sorry bad math lol
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2015-02-24 00:26:12 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Gelvon fails to understand by just paying the Dec fee and not more then that goons become nothing more than targets of opportunity. Gelvon expect us to meet your quotas every week without making them known and not paying us more to focus on your target.
As mercs we take on multitude of contracts where we make a profit to focus on the wars. Gelvon wanted us to focus without paying more, which was never going to happen. I do like the extra targets, but not being paid extra for a quota match is just bad business practices.


I fully agree, if someone wants to pay a war fee for me, cool, but I'm not going out of my way to focus on those without incentive, I'll take whatever is closest.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#56 - 2015-02-24 00:29:47 UTC
omg I mean 6 bil LMAO
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#57 - 2015-02-24 01:41:56 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Zepher Helen Hawat wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mercs are basically useless in the game...might as well disband them all and find something useful to do.


That's going a bit far. How do you reach such a conclusion? I know of many mercs that have great fun playing the game! Why should they stop doing what they enjoy?


Because it's not "Veers approved". Roll


Good catch - the wild ineffectiveness of highsec mercs due to the simple ability to drop corp, or restrict yourself to low value ships, is a result of them lack the official Veers Belvar seal of approval.

Roll

Yeah, they are wildly ineffective.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2015-02-24 02:32:38 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Gelvon fails to understand by just paying the Dec fee and not more then that goons become nothing more than targets of opportunity. Gelvon expect us to meet your quotas every week without making them known and not paying us more to focus on your target.
As mercs we take on multitude of contracts where we make a profit to focus on the wars. Gelvon wanted us to focus without paying more, which was never going to happen. I do like the extra targets, but not being paid extra for a quota match is just bad business practices.


Very well said.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#59 - 2015-02-24 15:33:10 UTC
Update: I match your ****** tin foil ass hattery and raise you an article.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#60 - 2015-02-24 17:01:02 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Update: I match your ****** tin foil ass hattery and raise you an article.


I might disagree with one or two sentences but most of what you wrote is spot on! If he wasn't so arrogant, he'd be better able to "fight" Goons but his expectations are far too high.

Also MoA might be okay at killing CFC, but they were doing that anyway before he came along. And they weren't that special when I was there either. They had a nice core of PvPers but most of the alliance members were quite lazy and just did PvE stuff all the time. Not sure if that has changed lately.