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Shooting own lab to get BPOs out
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Dracnys
#1 - 2015-02-19 12:20:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracnys
So I'm in a bit of a pickle. My POS is in reinforced with BPOs being researched in a lab.

Is it possible to take the fuel (fuel blocks, not stront) out of the POS so it goes offline and then shoot my own lab?

If that is not possible, should I leave the blueprints in research or cancel the jobs to minimize what the attackers can loot?

Thanks for your answers.
Agent Unknown
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-02-19 15:37:33 UTC
Hopefully it'll come out of reinforced when you're online ...if it does, you can easily online and cancel the pending jobs and moon walk away while the tower's being shot at.

Of course, this doesn't work in null-sec if it's bubbled. I don't recall if it's possible to remove stront once the POS goes into reinforced, though...
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#3 - 2015-02-19 16:12:28 UTC
Find some guys that might want to get some pew on, and tell them what time the tower comes out. Maybe they will be up for a scheduled attack.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#4 - 2015-02-19 16:12:38 UTC
Basically, your initial assessment was accurate: you're in a pickle.

And what's worse, you've just broadcast that you're in a pickle, so there will likely be folks out looking for you and your labs.

Folks like me.

Twisted

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Dracnys
#5 - 2015-02-19 16:41:55 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Basically, your initial assessment was accurate: you're in a pickle.

And what's worse, you've just broadcast that you're in a pickle, so there will likely be folks out looking for you and your labs.

Folks like me.

Twisted


Glad you seem to enjoy yourself.

Does anyone know the answer to my initial questions though?
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#6 - 2015-02-19 17:31:34 UTC
Dracnys wrote:
Glad you seem to enjoy yourself.

Does anyone know the answer to my initial questions though?

EvE is a game, I always enjoy myself.

No, not that way.



I addressed your question with my first line. You're in a pickle. But, since you asked, let me be more specific.

Once a tower is reinforced, you cannot change the amount of Stront in it until it comes out of reinforced and its shields get back up to 50%. In other words, once it's reinforced, that timer is fixed. Your attackers will know with 100% certainty when they can come kill that tower.

I am uncertain if the fuel bay in its entirety is locked out or not, so your plan to offline the tower may work if you can and if your attackers are slow in their attack. I am also uncertain if you can simply online the lab, cancel the job, and remove the BPO once it comes out of reinforced, or if you also have to wait until the shields get back up to 50% before putting it back online.

Hope that helps.

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Nightingale Actault
Borderland Dynamics
#7 - 2015-02-19 18:13:14 UTC
If the tower is reinforced I believe you must wait until you can rep the shields above 50% before you are able to online anything requiring powergrid (I believe it's powergrid, though it could be CPU, apologies). I'm less sure of my answers to the other questions so I'll leave those for another person to hopefully provide.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#8 - 2015-02-19 18:59:58 UTC
Nightingale Actault wrote:
If the tower is reinforced I believe you must wait until you can rep the shields above 50% before you are able to online anything requiring powergrid (I believe it's powergrid, though it could be CPU, apologies). I'm less sure of my answers to the other questions so I'll leave those for another person to hopefully provide.

It's CPU. Guns only take grid, and they remain active.

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Maximus Decimal
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-02-19 19:14:11 UTC
In future before you set up your POS read your wiki on the relevant mechanics.It's the best way to avoid possible ****-ups... The questions you have asked are pretty basic POS mechs man, you need to know this stuff if you are operating them really.

You're BPOs are gunna die along with that lab.

if you would like me to explain how to have a 'chance' of rescuing them, send me 100mil and a convo/mail in-game and I will explain to you.
Dracnys
#10 - 2015-02-19 20:02:26 UTC
Maximus Decimal wrote:
In future before you set up your POS read your wiki on the relevant mechanics.It's the best way to avoid possible ****-ups... The questions you have asked are pretty basic POS mechs man, you need to know this stuff if you are operating them really.

You're BPOs are gunna die along with that lab.

if you would like me to explain how to have a 'chance' of rescuing them, send me 100mil and a convo/mail in-game and I will explain to you.



Have you actually read my questions?

Still looking for an answer:

- Is it possible to take a POS offline by taking out fuel blocks (not stront!) while it is reinforced? I checked that yes I can take out fuel blocks. Will it go offline in the next cycle if I empty it and allow blowing up my own anchored structures?

- How does the loot mechanic for labs work exactly? Attackers can a) unanchor it and repackage in a station or b) blow it up. I have gathered that blowing it up works just like blowing up a ship or a can, 50/50 drop chance for items inside. What about the blueprints in research though?
Maximus Decimal
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-02-19 20:21:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Decimal
Dracnys wrote:
Maximus Decimal wrote:
In future before you set up your POS read your wiki on the relevant mechanics.It's the best way to avoid possible ****-ups... The questions you have asked are pretty basic POS mechs man, you need to know this stuff if you are operating them really.

You're BPOs are gunna die along with that lab.

if you would like me to explain how to have a 'chance' of rescuing them, send me 100mil and a convo/mail in-game and I will explain to you.



Have you actually read my questions?

Still looking for an answer:

- Is it possible to take a POS offline by taking out fuel blocks (not stront!) while it is reinforced? I checked that yes I can take out fuel blocks. Will it go offline in the next cycle if I empty it and allow blowing up my own anchored structures?

- How does the loot mechanic for labs work exactly? Attackers can a) unanchor it and repackage in a station or b) blow it up. I have gathered that blowing it up works just like blowing up a ship or a can, 50/50 drop chance for items inside. What about the blueprints in research though?

did you read my reply?

I'm paraphrasing here if you cant tell;
Maximus Decimal wrote:
read your fkin wiki


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Starbase if you give me your account details i can fly your ship and play the game for u too ;-)
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#12 - 2015-02-20 01:17:29 UTC
Maximus Decimal wrote:
Dracnys wrote:
Maximus Decimal wrote:
In future before you set up your POS read your wiki on the relevant mechanics.It's the best way to avoid possible ****-ups... The questions you have asked are pretty basic POS mechs man, you need to know this stuff if you are operating them really.

You're BPOs are gunna die along with that lab.

if you would like me to explain how to have a 'chance' of rescuing them, send me 100mil and a convo/mail in-game and I will explain to you.



Have you actually read my questions?

Still looking for an answer:

- Is it possible to take a POS offline by taking out fuel blocks (not stront!) while it is reinforced? I checked that yes I can take out fuel blocks. Will it go offline in the next cycle if I empty it and allow blowing up my own anchored structures?

- How does the loot mechanic for labs work exactly? Attackers can a) unanchor it and repackage in a station or b) blow it up. I have gathered that blowing it up works just like blowing up a ship or a can, 50/50 drop chance for items inside. What about the blueprints in research though?

did you read my reply?

I'm paraphrasing here if you cant tell;
Maximus Decimal wrote:
read your fkin wiki


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Starbase if you give me your account details i can fly your ship and play the game for u too ;-)
Hey look a stupid person talking about wanting to account share. R.I.P
ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#13 - 2015-02-20 07:34:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
HarlyQ wrote:
Hey look a stupid person talking about wanting to account share. R.I.P



Hay look a stupid person who doesnt get sarcasm

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#14 - 2015-02-23 20:35:18 UTC
So how did it go?

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Senyu Takashi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2015-02-26 19:30:56 UTC
They should allow unanchoring/anchoring structures when Control Tower goes into reinforced. Its a bit dumb that when your POS goes reinforced, you cannot do a thing with it. Doesnt really sound like reinforced, more like disabled.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#16 - 2015-02-26 20:09:02 UTC
Wouldn't that make reinforcing a POS a pretty worthless endeavor for the aggressor?
Suun Ablehart
Parallax Shift
#17 - 2015-03-03 12:33:36 UTC
When a POS is RF'd immediately consumes all the strontium available in the strontium bay, for the maximum RF runtime in hours.

The fuel may be removed while the POS is RF'd, however, while the POS is RF'd it is consuming strontium and not fuel blocks, therefore, removing fuel would not make your POS go offline during the RF period. However, once the POS is out of RF and there exist no fuel blocks in the fuel bay, the POS would immediately offline (as it's trying to take whatever amount of blocks it needs for the next cycle).

This would basically give your attackers a free POS shoot since the bubble will go down. They would be able to use Velators to kill your POS since there would be no bubble and no guns. :P

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Sabriz Adoudel
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#18 - 2015-03-05 03:51:36 UTC
The logical thing to do here is to either sound out your attackers' willingness to take a ransom, or to hire mercenaries to defend your POS, and offer a sizable payment which is paid to a third party before the reinforcement timer.

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