Warfare & Tactics

So EVE is about spreadsheets in space. EVE is also about war. The problem is, war is not about spreadsheets.

War in EVE is boring and easy to predict. That's because of the spreadsheet mentality and mechanics. What if that wasn't entirely true? What if the blob wasn't always what determined the winner?

As we have seen from multiple modern and historical wars, stats mean nothing when facing a capable and determined enemy.
What if EVE was like that? What if you were in a corp or alliance that consistently fought against greater numbers and won? Shouldn't that show as a factor? Shouldn't that create an aura of lore based on ability? It's one thing to fight an infantry unit. It's another to fight the French Foreign Legion.

What if a corp was able to gain stats based on the frequency that they beat the spreadsheet? Certainly alliances wouldn't get perks since they didn't actually contribute directly. The Flying Tigers didn't make the US Army Air Corp more victorious.

Food for thought. Yes, I'm a new player.

Discuss.

I thought a new topic would be fun since this forum seems pretty boring and just rehashes the same old bs. Boo to forums!!

"I just stomped the everliving **** out of my old copy of Excel 2003.

Did I just level up?" Famous EVE poster.

That would be up to CCP and your skill.

Yes, I have been drunk posting. You're welcome.

Wars are not about spreadsheets? Are you for real? It took me seconds to dig up over 20 quotes from military tacticians throughout history (some quite, quite famous), stressing the importance of logistics in warfare. Which is pretty much another word for tons of spreadsheets these days.

Logistics is only a part of warfare. An important one, but still part. When I referred to spreadsheets i was mostly referring to things like DPS, etc.

I think out of all the conflicts in the last 100 years a great example would be the Russo-Finnish war, or Winter War, 1939. Stat wise, this was a slam dunk. However there were a handful of any Finnish soldiers between the basket and the Russians trying to make 2 points.

I really don't want to get into a debate about more current events since that is less about EVE and more about politics, but it comes out the same.

War based solely on stats is doomed unless the attacker can be flexible in their tactics.

Did you enjoy the movie 300? I did. I know that was in no way historically accurate, but even the real battle should have been a wipe based on stats.

Skill as a group should count for something. The lack of skill is actually a universal constant.

It does happen, it just takes a well organized group that is not just good but amazingly great. Check out Rooks & Kings. There just arent that many "greats" around, as in life and real wars.

I'm not going to lie. Rooks and Kings was one of the groups I was thinking of when I wrote this.

Just out of curiosity, Is forum posting the last stage of a player subscription?

Still drunk(er) posting

Hah. The last stage lies in the character sales thread, unless they know deep down theyll be back. Im on a break right now, but know ill pick it back up after this semester.

Trying to think of other corps but Im not "in the loop". Never have been really. Caldari FW was interesting to watch last year, but it was no 300 lol. (some of my favorite solo pilots are sorta like that too. Mr Hyde comes to mind in the way/what he does, but its not as relevant to your discussion).

I'm a new player so I'm only working off of YouTube and blogs. No problem.

I would think any nationality cold have fun with this. Russian Guard units, Black Watch, US 10th Infantry etc. As a someone joining an alliance, it could present a new goal. Say I join alliance "X" and I'm having great time. I'm fighting along side of a groups, say 2nd Mechanized Guard of Corp "whatever". Those guys totally kick ass! I want to get my skills good enough to even qualify to send them an email!! New goal acquired! THAT sounds really cool to me. That was the inspiration for the OP.

Well it's time for me to pass out. Four 9.5% beers and 3 double screw drivers and I need to call it a night. Not sure if I'll be on much more since my sub is almost done and frankly, EVE is boring as ****. the new player "experience" sucks. I don't blame CCP though. I think the game they made is pretty good.

Final drunk(est) post of the night.

There's no major war going on at the moment.

Skirmishing in Catch and Prividence, but nothing serious.

When wars happen in Eve, there's a lot more to them than Spreadsheets, though they are involved too.

Please google "Eve Rooks and Kings" and read/watch the related articles and videos for the fight of the few against the many.

Faction warfare is less about spreadsheets and more about warfare as you envision it.

Raw numbers of shiny ships is what dictates victory in Null. FW is a little different!

Ship restrictions in the sovereignty system remove the focus from anything above cruisers (there is still a place for capitals but its rare to deploy them). Raw numbers still help but there is plenty of room for small elite squads of pilots that run rings around the enemy and can really swing a conflict. On the Amarr side that would be the likes of Shirak Skunkworks and what was Amarrian Vengence.

I'm sure pilots like Christine Peevepeeski (sp) can remember their commando style antics during Burn Huola and I remember our Gallente friends running rings around the Amarr during the US Timezone to buy us time - especially in the crucial first couple of days.

Mostly faction warfare requires morale, discipline and a steady supply of reships rather than pure numbers to be victorious.