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Player Owned Customs Offices - 100m? Seriously?
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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#21 - 2011-12-02 11:26:17 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
So in order to set up one of the new customs offices, one must invest 100m for a sitting fragile duck that can be blown to bits with a handful of ships.



Wouldn't.... 20m be a more reasonable cost? Why something so basic has to be that expensive and that fragile too. There really isn't a point in increasing their HP, they will still blow up it will just take longer, but the cost makes a massive difference.

When you need 600m to set up PI in low/null without NPC offices, you're just ****** as they might be blown up the next day.


You gotta spend some cash for the HP you get. 100m is much for a new player and peanuts for many in Eve. Question is, if you field one and say it's expensive, you certainly won't be able to protect one, so is this the right field of investment for everyone? I dare say no. Carebares will stay in hisec, lowsec will become more hostile and nullsec won't change a bit.

However PI prices may rise.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#22 - 2011-12-02 11:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
A lot of people predicted what will happen when CCP revealed their plan. Prices are already skyrocketing and with a number of producers just quitting on PI the prices of a lot of products related to POS production is also going to rise.

This happens when devolopers make changes without a clue or without caring for consequences.



Lol, cry me a river. Prices going up is good.
Besides that, time those doing PI stopped having a near free ride.
pussnheels
Viziam
#23 - 2011-12-02 11:37:27 UTC
Herrington Vance wrote:
Higher opportunity costs = higher profits.

You are right , but not with these POCO

It will teke about a year before the bloody thing pays itself back , if it will ever pays itself back and when it survives
The whole concept is so flawed and biased against smaller corporations , i starting to kill that CCP has started a campaign to kill all small industrial corporations
Plus the fact that you can only get the stupid bpc thru lp stores is even more stupid and biased like alot of things in this expansion and future changes

Now if only CCP will reimbursed all the sp. I invested in pi i wouldn t be so negative about the whole crucible expansion

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#24 - 2011-12-02 11:38:15 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
A lot of people predicted what will happen when CCP revealed their plan. Prices are already skyrocketing and with a number of producers just quitting on PI the prices of a lot of products related to POS production is also going to rise.

This happens when devolopers make changes without a clue or without caring for consequences.


Quote of justice for a poorly thought out concept.
pussnheels
Viziam
#25 - 2011-12-02 11:39:56 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
A lot of people predicted what will happen when CCP revealed their plan. Prices are already skyrocketing and with a number of producers just quitting on PI the prices of a lot of products related to POS production is also going to rise.

This happens when devolopers make changes without a clue or without caring for consequences.



Lol, cry me a river. Prices going up is good.
Besides that, time those doing PI stopped having a near free ride.

Will you cry me a river when your favorite ship and modules will cost you alot more than what they do now or do you think they made by santa and his little gnomes

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
pussnheels
Viziam
#26 - 2011-12-02 11:47:13 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Can't be bothered looking for link;
Someone somewhere had some math that outlined if you could get 30 characters using the PCO on 24-26 hour cycles to produce p2s with a tax percentage of 5% you would make in excess of 150mil per month.

Who makes p2 on a low sec planet and you really think you will have 30 people producing p2 on the same low sec planet
Nah it will takes months before the thing pays it self back if it survives ... Most unlikely since you get a killmail for it

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-12-02 13:34:15 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Will you cry me a river when your favorite ship and modules will cost you alot more than what they do now or do you think they made by santa and his little gnomes


You seem to think this is a bad thing. Miners will get more ISK for their time, Producers won't feel the hit at all as they just increase margins to compensate, Traders will make a tidy bit of extra profit if they have stockpiles and with ISK being stupidly easy to make via Incursions/Missions/Anoms or whatever floats PvPer's won't really feel the hit. Just means more ISK will be passed around. Fine by me.

Personally my PI has become a lot more profitable, and if the prices stabilise at a nice higher rate then you can bet that people will start jumping back onto the PI bandwagon. Regardless of tax.

I lied :o
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#28 - 2011-12-02 13:45:39 UTC
100M is obviously WAAY too much.

You hear that all you people selling the parts needed to build a CO? Lower your damn prices right now! OP said so!

There, I helped :)


(Do a little math and cure your ignorance. The tax savings alone will pay for it in a couple months even if no one else uses it.)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#29 - 2011-12-02 13:45:59 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Herrington Vance wrote:
Higher opportunity costs = higher profits.

You are right , but not with these POCO

It will teke about a year before the bloody thing pays itself back

Try one month, there's already enough anecdotal evidence to point that 1 year ROI is a cross overestimation.

pussnheels wrote:
when it survives

Fair point. But still, 140 mil is pocket change.

pussnheels wrote:

The whole concept is so flawed and biased against smaller corporations , i starting to kill that CCP has started a campaign to kill all small industrial corporations

Plus the fact that you can only get the stupid bpc thru lp stores is even more stupid and biased like alot of things in this expansion and future changes

It's called player interaction. EvE is an MMOG, thus you don't need to do it all yourself.

pussnheels wrote:
Now if only CCP will reimbursed all the sp. I invested in pi i wouldn t be so negative about the whole crucible expansion

So it will cost you a bit more to do PI, so? Just pass the increased costs to the price of the product, problem solved.

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FlameGlow
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-12-02 13:46:40 UTC
Cur wrote:

With 5 dreads it'll take an hour.

Same as a small POS hitpoints wise.


That's some failfit dreads right there, wait......
in fact that's an accurate estimate for dreads without siege, ahahahahahahahaha Lol
Lucas Schuyler
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-12-02 13:51:11 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
So in order to set up one of the new customs offices, one must invest 100m for a sitting fragile duck that can be blown to bits with a handful of ships.



Wouldn't.... 20m be a more reasonable cost? Why something so basic has to be that expensive and that fragile too. There really isn't a point in increasing their HP, they will still blow up it will just take longer, but the cost makes a massive difference.

When you need 600m to set up PI in low/null without NPC offices, you're just ****** as they might be blown up the next day.


You realize this is for corporations, right? No one intended for solo players in NPC Corps to do this.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#32 - 2011-12-02 13:52:56 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
100M is obviously WAAY too much.

You hear that all you people selling the parts needed to build a CO? Lower your damn prices right now! OP said so!

There, I helped :)


(Do a little math and cure your ignorance. The tax savings alone will pay for it in a couple months even if no one else uses it.)


At the currently inflated tax rates, yes. At the tax rates had these things never been implemented...

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#33 - 2011-12-02 14:50:29 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
100M is obviously WAAY too much.

You hear that all you people selling the parts needed to build a CO? Lower your damn prices right now! OP said so!

There, I helped :)


(Do a little math and cure your ignorance. The tax savings alone will pay for it in a couple months even if no one else uses it.)


At the currently inflated tax rates, yes. At the tax rates had these things never been implemented...


Umm.. yeah... had they not been implemented, there would be nothing to pay off regardless of tax rates.

But they are this high, and they were implemented. So the payoff is there.


I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#34 - 2011-12-02 14:59:14 UTC
The problem is what this will do to the T2 market. I foresee it spiking high enough that demand decreases again.
Ghoest
#35 - 2011-12-02 15:14:53 UTC
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
Am I missing something? Since when is 100 mil a lot of isk?


To normal econ players it isnt much.

To most people who do PI its quite a bit.

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Marsan
#36 - 2012-01-04 01:08:14 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
Dradius Calvantia wrote:
Am I missing something? Since when is 100 mil a lot of isk?


To normal econ players it isnt much.

To most people who do PI its quite a bit.



But again you are assuming that most people will put up a CO. Most planets have dozens or more people using them. You only need one CO. Also even with the added taxes from the existing COs I'm still making isk.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Catlos JeminJees
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-01-04 01:21:55 UTC
when i read this thread out loud all i can hear is WHAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
#38 - 2012-01-04 01:32:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Syphon Lodian
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Dusty Meg wrote:
Just put it down and fill it up before dt. You know like everyone does with station eggs


It takes 5 seconds to anchor and 30 seconds to upgrade/online btw. Surprisingly fast.


Yea, I fiddled with one of my offline stations today.. and everything I put online, went online instantly.. <1 second. I thought there was a mistake, or that my UI was borked... But nope.. Must've missed that patch note. Putting up a Tower still takes a short bit of time though... but overall it's absolutely -nothing- like it used to be.

Thank the gods tho, seriously.
Celeste Benal
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-01-04 02:34:17 UTC
The level of butthurt in here is incredible. I would offer some vasiline to help. But I don't think anyone would know how to use it properly.

PI is a freakin cash cow, even in hisec. I gross 50M a week selling Robotics using 4 hisec planets for extraction and one factory planet. My time cost is 15 minutes a day to reset extraction and 1 hour twice a week to haul. If you can't make serious bank doing PI, then you are fail and need to do something easier, like missioning.
Vyl Vit
#40 - 2012-01-04 02:38:37 UTC
It would seem if you're fat enough to charge fees for using your space a hundred mil would be chicken feed. But, if I were to pull a figure out of my ass, like those stated before, I'd say 350 mil makes better sense. If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
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