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What is the plan for "True" New Players...?
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gfldex
#21 - 2015-02-18 20:34:59 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:

For older players, before you scream that I make no sense, try it.


You do make sense. However, making sense and having a point is not the very same thing.

Pod Panik wrote:
PS: Start a brand new character with NO outside support (ISK, Corp, etc) and try to make your way through the game. What you went through 10 years ago is likely very different now that the bigger fish are much much bigger and the smaller fish are confined to the very small glass jar that is High Sec. Test it and maybe we can play together!


I did just that at the end of 2011. I went Incursus (i think) -> Catalyst -> Karacal -> Drake -> Tangu -> Golem . I never fed him any ISK because I used him to apply ... unusual tactics. In the first year I played him I started and won 2 wars, ganked 11 barges in highsec (that was the time when Trit became rare and ganking them is the best way to deal with competitors -- they never leave when you ask them kindly). I spend some time with a few mates in Factional Warfare too. There is a trick ofc. I did the lvl1 arc to get some ISK for skills and then _i_didn't_play_for_3_weeks_ . It is a sad truth that the game gets a lot easier after you got the basic fitting skills at lvl5 and the capa skills at lvl4. There is no real _need_ to do that tho.

That fellow in his T3 ships, that exploded you, will likely be set back by a billion when _he_ hits the wall. The more SP you got the easier is gets to lose ISK. If you know what you are doing, the first year in the game is the cheapest and the most enjoyable -- unless you fly solo.

One more thing. I counted 6 assumptions in your post (there might be more), that are wrong. The sooner you learn what those assumptions are the faster you will feel progress in the game. After all, assumption is the mother of all *beep*ups.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
William Ruben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-02-18 20:43:20 UTC
My first kill mail was on an Ishtar that I tackled one week from doing the tutorials. Let me rephrase that: With a sub one million T1 frigate I helped bring down a T2 heavy assault cruiser worth a quarter billion.

And that was just the beginning of the roam.

Get with a PvP corp and LET THEM HELP YOU LEARN HOW ITS DONE.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-02-18 21:20:01 UTC
Just one more thing, I got a lot of inspiration of things to try and strive for by watching player videos.

I'm my own NPC alt.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-02-18 21:48:46 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:
Big ass wall of text


A. MIssions do NOT put you into low-sec unless:

* They are level 5 missions.
* YOu pick an agent who lives next door to low-sec.

I can mission all I want doing endless level 4's till I grow so bored I will pull both my hair and nails out, and never set foot in low-sec.


B. You can PvP from the word Go. You just have to pick your targets correctly.

A dessie can be a great PvP ship, against the right target. It will die, against the wrong target.

This counts for ALL ships in EVE.


C. So, you found out: The more risk you take, the better the rewards....heads up: Working as intended.


D. HAHAHAHA. Sorry, but if you think that you as a new player are bound to high-sec for 2 years, GO F-ing talk to Azda Ja. Within 2 months she was in low-sec, killing people WAY older then she was...and having a blast.


E. A new player can be supported by vets other then just with ISK / ships / replacements.

A new player with a vet that is there to assist them >>> A new player who gets ISK but not advice from a vet.


F. HAHAHAHA. YOu do know, that veterans can EASILY start a new character without outside help...cause we have knowledge.


Polish a turd, it's still a turd. A veteran will always stay a veteran, character age doesn't change that.





tl:dr


Unlike your previous posts, this one is of such low quality that I will say: Can I have your stuff...

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Orlacc
#25 - 2015-02-18 21:51:18 UTC
There are many, many avenues one can take in EVE. Find one, get good at it, and the isk will show up. The very fact that there is so much to do can be a distraction.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Orlacc
#26 - 2015-02-18 21:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
Fiddled about with EVEMon and got this. More than adequate for entering PvP.


Spaceship Command IV
Amarr Frigate IV
Small Energy Turret IV
Gunnery IV
Motion Prediction I
Motion Prediction II
Motion Prediction III
Motion Prediction IV
Rapid Firing I
Rapid Firing II
Rapid Firing III
Rapid Firing IV
Sharpshooter I
Sharpshooter II
Sharpshooter III
Sharpshooter IV
Surgical Strike I
Surgical Strike II
Surgical Strike III
Surgical Strike IV
Trajectory Analysis I
Trajectory Analysis II
Trajectory Analysis III
Trajectory Analysis IV
Afterburner I
Afterburner II
Afterburner III
Afterburner IV
High Speed Maneuvering I
High Speed Maneuvering II
High Speed Maneuvering III
High Speed Maneuvering IV
Navigation IV
Hull Upgrades I
Hull Upgrades II
Hull Upgrades III
Hull Upgrades IV
Repair Systems I
Repair Systems II
Repair Systems III
Repair Systems IV


Total time: 30 days, 17 hours, 50 minutes, 50 seconds with no implants

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#27 - 2015-02-18 22:03:46 UTC
The idea is that you play the game with other people and you benefit from their resources and experience.

The content in EVE is not endlessly repetitive PVE content, it's the interaction and conflicts between players and their organizations. By playing entirely by yourself and you both disadvantage yourself and exclude yourself from the part of the game that is actually compelling.

If you want o live in lowsec join a corp that lives in lowsec and benefit from their knowledge.
Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#28 - 2015-02-18 22:18:00 UTC
William Ruben wrote:
My first kill mail was on an Ishtar that I tackled one week from doing the tutorials. Let me rephrase that: With a sub one million T1 frigate I helped bring down a T2 heavy assault cruiser worth a quarter billion.

And that was just the beginning of the roam.

Get with a PvP corp and LET THEM HELP YOU LEARN HOW ITS DONE.


That's nothing. Mine (on my first character) was a Thanatos (carrier) that I tackled in a Thrasher.
Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#29 - 2015-02-18 23:53:40 UTC
Lots of good comments in there...


I get it...

I guess i was just pissed of seeing my work of two week of mission farming go in smoke while I could do nothing about it. The T3 cruiser pilot was playing with me. I could not escape OR harm him in any way. He wasted 15 minutes of my play time for no reason and there is NOTHING i could do about it.

I guess I was pissed that I lost 2 weeks of my very limited game time. Being a father of 3 with two boys in hockey, you understand that free time is a very small window of opportunity For me and I value my free time very much.

So I guess I'll take it the other way and consider that experience as a reason the cheerish my future accomplishments.

But most of all, i think the main message you gave me all is to play with others and stop soloing. I think I'll do just that. Many recomended Eve University as a good corp for new players. Last week I actually turn them down after being contacted for an interview. I thought it was a bit much To have to go through such a formal process. I want this to be a relaxing time...nit a second job. However, a lot of good is said about those guys so I may try to re-apply and see how it goes.


...

Ps: i looked for a L3 sisters of eve agent and the only one I could find (3 actually) are in or close to low sec. Is there more of them out there and I can't see them?
William Ruben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-02-18 23:55:55 UTC
Not no reason. This is the reason, right here. Your frustration, anger, and tears. OP success.

Now get even.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-02-19 00:04:53 UTC
there are only 3 level 3 security agents for SoE, you don't have to mission for them you know.

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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#32 - 2015-02-19 00:21:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Godfrey Silvarna
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
there are only 3 level 3 security agents for SoE, you don't have to mission for them you know.

Running missions for SoE is pretty optimal if you want to preserve standings and the probe launchers are good isk/LP, so it does make sense to focus on them if you have the time to wait out the 4h timer when you get two LS missions in a row.

He is also able to unlock c4's by running c4 missions in a fleet with someone who already has high SoE standings.

Oh, and does SoE have distribution agents? Those are often faster for grinding standings than security agents.
Pod Panik
Low-Sec Scrubs
#33 - 2015-02-19 00:32:22 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
there are only 3 level 3 security agents for SoE, you don't have to mission for them you know.

Running missions for SoE is pretty optimal if you want to preserve standings and the probe launchers are good isk/LP, so it does make sense to focus on them if you have the time to wait out the 4h timer when you get two LS missions in a row.

He is also able to unlock c4's by running c4 missions in a fleet with someone who already has high SoE standings.

Oh, and does SoE have distribution agents? Those are often faster for grinding standings than security agents.



oh...could i do distribution missions instead? Will i eventually unlock L4 security mission even if i just increase my faction through distribution?
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#34 - 2015-02-19 00:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Godfrey Silvarna
Pod Panik wrote:
oh...could i do distribution missions instead? Will i eventually unlock L4 security mission even if i just increase my faction through distribution?

You certainly will. The isk and LP rewards for distribution missions are less than for security missions, and the standings increases might be too. However, you only need a relatively small cargo bay for it (L4 distribution peaks at ~7200m^2 and L3 is less), so you can fly the small and agile industrial ship of your race and fit it with 3 warp speed rigs and some inertia stabilizers and grind those missions at an absolutely ridiculous rate, so the actual speed your standings go up is likely to be much faster than with combat missions.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-02-19 00:41:43 UTC
Just reject level 3s in low sec. Even with a standings penalty every now and then you won't have any problem keeping the standings to run them.

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-02-19 00:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ned Thomas
If you can shake off the loss and figure out how to recover, that's playing the game well.

EDIT: Oh, and the guy didn't screw with you for no reason. He screwed with you because he can. That is also playing the game well.
Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#37 - 2015-02-19 00:47:55 UTC
Pod Panik wrote:
He wasted 15 minutes of my play time for no reason and there is NOTHING i could do about it.


You could do what Kirk did in Star Trek II.
William Ruben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-02-19 02:22:32 UTC
Phig Neutron wrote:
Pod Panik wrote:
He wasted 15 minutes of my play time for no reason and there is NOTHING i could do about it.


You could do what Kirk did in Star Trek II.

Scream "KHAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!" repeatedly?
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#39 - 2015-02-19 03:23:25 UTC
Myself and others have offered before and we offer again join us and we will help you. We have all posted enough in your various topics that you can get a bassic idea about us. Contact us via in game mail and talk to us further.

While it is possible to get into this game with no help other than having questions answered in forums or chat channels there is no substitute for a good vet helping you in game. Take your missions as an example, I can guide and give you advice but ultimately you have to do or die alone. With a good vet with you in the mission they can give you some remote reps to help you through a tough spot, or they can easily kill that one ship that is giving you serious trouble allowing you to finish the mission. On top oif that we can escort you through higher level missions than you would be able to handle solo increasing you ISK and experience gains.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2015-02-19 04:37:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Pod Panik wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
there are only 3 level 3 security agents for SoE, you don't have to mission for them you know.

Running missions for SoE is pretty optimal if you want to preserve standings and the probe launchers are good isk/LP, so it does make sense to focus on them if you have the time to wait out the 4h timer when you get two LS missions in a row.

He is also able to unlock c4's by running c4 missions in a fleet with someone who already has high SoE standings.

Oh, and does SoE have distribution agents? Those are often faster for grinding standings than security agents.



oh...could i do distribution missions instead? Will i eventually unlock L4 security mission even if i just increase my faction through distribution?


You do not need faction for level IVs, SOE corp standing is good enough.

You can repeat Blood Stained Stars every 3 months for quite good corp standing bumps.

Also fleeting up with someone in a higher level mission will give you bumps to corp standing if they elect to share it.