EVE Fiction

I was watching some episodes of Star Trek the next generation, and some things occurred to me that I thought might be interesting for the eve community to discuss:

Science:
1. Beam technology: is there something like this in eve? Or are all transportation situations fully done in shuttles?
2. If the above is so, how does transportation of goods and personnel happen in space?
3. Can eve ewar, such as warp bubbles, ecm, or other forms of electronic warfare from eve be effective against ships from star trek? Please specify.

Politics:
1. Discuss the ramifications of capsuleer contact with a federation vessal in a wormhole (most likely place in my opinion) or in another sector of space. (Feel free to discuss this scenario regarding any other star trek faction)
2. Discuss political ramifications of the response of each of the 5 eve empires and how they would likely interact with factions from star trek.
3. If war broke out, who would likely fight who? Who would win? Who might work together as allies?
4. Would capsuleer technology be extended to star trek empires?
5. Would concord intervene in any way regarding these contacts?

If you wish to speak of a different time, please specify. I am currently referencing if eve met star trek during the time of Picard.

While it isn't so, the following chronicle gives us a great insight into how the logistics chain works in the EVE universe:

Jita 4-4-1

I don't know about teleportation..... but if you consider Dust 514 actual canon we do have something very similar in the Drop Uplink.

"The drop uplink is a slave transponder, a short-range tether that produces the precise spatial coordinates necessary to generate a localised wormhole, traversal of which allows the user to travel short distances instantly. Highly experimental, the process is excruciatingly painful and exposes organic tissue to excessive radiation, resulting in accelerated cellular decay and, ultimately, death."

Regardless of whether or not you do you'd certainly never expect the crew of the USS Enterprise to EVER use one of these.

I'm not typically one for the Fictional Universe A vs. Fictional Universe B discussions because it often can't be resolved. By their very nature most fiction, at a certain point, doesn't rest of knowable/understandable facts and without those comparisons become meaningless. Weapons and abilities are shown in a way that supports the narrative but rarely in a manner that lends itself to an objective comparison across intellectual properties. It would be easy to get bogged down with the ambiguities of what a phaser does or just how powerful a Doomsday is or the reliability of a one-off comment on technical ability from a random Chronicle or television episode.

If we suppose what I think would be a common gut instinct that New Eden is a darker, more militaristic place which has resulted in a tendency for more ships, bigger ships, and more destructive ships and also a well-established tendency to subjugate all considerations, including human lives, entirely to superiority (in armed conflict, economics, or what have you) then we can wave our hands and say that probably, yeah, the Empires are "stronger" in military might than their Star Trek counterparts. Also, just based on populations we can surmise a significant economic disparity between New Eden and the Star Trek. There are something like 70 trillion empire residents in New Eden vs. fewer than 10 trillion in the Federation and the productive output of New Eden persons, as far as war materiel, greatly outstrips that of the Federation. It's hard to pin down how many ships are in Starfleet, I've seen estimates ranging from one or two thousand to as high as 30,000 (it matters when in the timeline you want a count and what ships should be counted [the 30,000 count includes fighter sized vessels which, personally, I would not include in a count]). What we can know with some certainty is that New Eden ships are way, way larger than their Federation contenders. Tonnage certainly isn't the end all and be all of a ship's powers but it certainly does provide some basic register of strength and the fact that the capital ships of the Federation are roughly the size of the largest subcapital ships of New Eden. The largest Federation vessel (according the a quick Google) is the Invincible-class fleet carrier/heavy battleship at 1,650 meters in length and a crew of six thousand or roughly equivalent to a carrier in length and a battleship in crew complement.

So it seems, based on a rough approximation, that Star Trek (or at least the Federation) is quite disadvantaged in comparison to a New Eden empire or sizable capsuleer alliance. However, that's not what is interesting about the match-up. What is interesting is not so much who would "win" but the ways war would have to be prosecuted depending on initial conditions. One of the most important factors in warfare, provided a certain level of parity even more important than raw numbers of technical ability, is movement.

A numerically smaller enemy or one with weaker weapons can prevail against a larger more capable adversary if they have an advantage in speed and that is where this conflict gets fun because, depending on those initial conditions, the fight can go completely different ways. Star ships are effectively much slower than their New Eden counterparts but only when those counterparts are in New Eden. New Eden is far more compact , has an extensive gate network, and jump capable ships (provided they have a cyno to lock onto) have speeds orders of magnitude faster than the fastest Federation ships. However, in one way or another, that requires an infrastructure already in place. Eve warp is relatively fast (one AU per second, if my math is right, is a speed of one lightyear per 17.5 hours so a 4 AU/sec ship has a speed of 1 lightyear per 4.38 hours vs. a Federation ship at Warp 9 [and keep in mind that nailing down how fast Star Trek warp is is also a tricky proposition] comes to 1 lightyear per 10.4 hours). A Federation starship at Warp 9 could cross New Eden (~100 lightyears) in 43 and a half days whereas a New Eden ship could, depending on the method, do the same in much less (under a day I would think no matter what). However, we must remember that, for whatever reason, New Eden warp only works within solar systems and not for interstellar travel. The lore is tricky but interstellar New Eden journeys (without gates or jumps) takes decades and centuries where the same trip could be accomplished by a Federation ship in days, weeks, or months.

So, if the wormhole opens between New Eden and the Star Trek galaxy any Star Trek ships that crossover will probably die in that system. If they get out of the system an Empire or capsuleers can deploy a numerically superior force and (probably one with more firepower ship for ship) within minutes or an hour or two to any system with a stargate or a cyno. If New Eden ships crossover to the Star Trek galaxy anything in that system is toast but, assuming no stargates and no easy way to get a cyno to inhabited systems then the New Eden side is looking at a long, long time to spread out (centuries or more, especially when one considers the distances in the Star Trek galaxy are quite a lot longer than those in New Eden). Any war would take a very long time to conclude.

(cont.)

A good analysis, Ibrahim, with just one correction: Jumping into a system with no existing gates or beacons is possible. It takes several days for a sufficient scan to be achieved to allow jump-in, but by "leapfrogging" in Cyno-equipped ships and then building a cyno network on top of them, it would be entirely possible for a New Eden faction to make slow but steady progress into undiscovered territory.

If the Empires could get their hands of a means of accurate and instant teleportation from Warbarges....... I'm sure they'd trip over one another's tongues to get at it, especially as it would result in a means of being able to deploy a vanguard or Immortals with subsquent waves of the millions of mortal soldiers they must have.

On the other hand I don't think the Federation (not that I know much about them) could actually functionally use Drop Uplinks, even considering the shielding Dropsuits have cloned soldiers still suffer horribly and die in a matter of hours after deployment via drop uplink.

From a personal stance, Vulcans and Humans of ST would be a decent ally in a fight to repair ruined space of New Eden.

Klingons are welcome as well, but their ethics are somewhat different. I am not sure if their honor is trustworthy.

I don't think that standards in New Eden are anything to be celebrated - they are more a consequence of unfortunate conditions in which inherent evil/greed that, unfortunately, can not be controlled by most of the humans - came out in full development.

That would make things significantly more complicated.

Millions of clones are terminated on a weekly basis. Any conflict within is determined via the use of Sleeper Cloning Tech comes down to the simple mechanics of clone production, who generates the most nanites, the most biomass, and who can keep up the production.

Clones like us in PCLAS are only as immortal as our clone reserves allow us to be without a clone to move to we can died just like anyone else assuming a copy of our consciousness is not salvaged or backed up.

Whose industry would be more productive? The Federation or New Eden?

Most definitely not my type!

As for who would win... Well, I believe a single Iapetan titan's appearance would make the trekkies run for cover. The only "race" from ST universe I'd be concerned about are the Borg, because technology is our only weakness.

The Borg would be so disgusted by the Sansha, they'd finally leave the galaxy and go assimilate someone over there, just to be as far as possible to them.