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Mass of Stargates...?
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Lex Bird
Lords Protectorate Inc.
#1 - 2011-12-01 17:16:55 UTC
A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:

mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg

Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg

100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...

A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.

This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.
Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?

inB4 no one cares about object info.
Julius Rigel
#2 - 2011-12-01 17:18:36 UTC
YOU try cramming all those light beams into such a small piece of technology and keep it light-weight.

Do YOU like to undock?
Lex Bird
Lords Protectorate Inc.
#3 - 2011-12-01 17:25:21 UTC
Light beams are massless...
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#4 - 2011-12-01 17:26:56 UTC
Its so you can't bump the stargate. True story.
Lex Bird
Lords Protectorate Inc.
#5 - 2011-12-01 17:29:07 UTC
You can't bump anchored cans, and they're nowhere near that mass.
RaTTuS
BIG
#6 - 2011-12-01 17:29:36 UTC
it's how you get shot across several light-years in a couple of seconds

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Julius Rigel
#7 - 2011-12-01 17:31:15 UTC
Lex Bird wrote:
Light beams are massless...


Not in eve they're not.

Do YOU like to undock?
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#8 - 2011-12-01 17:32:46 UTC
They are tiny black hole generations or w/e. They need the mass effect for the .... er..... mass affect.

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Lex Bird
Lords Protectorate Inc.
#9 - 2011-12-01 17:33:03 UTC
Julius Rigel wrote:
Lex Bird wrote:
Light beams are massless...


Not in eve they're not.


If they had mass, Amarr would be able to deal kinetic damage with their lasers.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#10 - 2011-12-01 17:33:23 UTC
Gates are just amplifiers for gravity wells that requires two solar system's masses to anchor one down usually. Im suprised the things dont collaps onthemseles though.

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Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#11 - 2011-12-01 17:33:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Aeril Malkyre
Julius Rigel wrote:
Lex Bird wrote:
Light beams are massless...

Not in eve they're not.

Sure they are. Otherwise the Amarr would get Kinetic damage tacked on to their lasers. And no one wants that.

Except the Amarr.

Edit: And Lex has it covered.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#12 - 2011-12-01 17:35:08 UTC
Lex Bird wrote:
A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:

mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg

Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg

100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...

A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.

This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.
Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?

inB4 no one cares about object info.


Mysterious stargate technology is mysterious. Perhaps there is a black hole in there to power it. Or perhaps the high tech magical physics things happening inside cause you to get a distorted mass reading. Either way - who cares? It's impossible to travel at these speeds, and you're bitching about the mass.
Lex Bird
Lords Protectorate Inc.
#13 - 2011-12-01 17:36:48 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Lex Bird wrote:
A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:

mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg

Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg

100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...

A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.

This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.
Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?

inB4 no one cares about object info.


Mysterious stargate technology is mysterious. Perhaps there is a black hole in there to power it. Or perhaps the high tech magical physics things happening inside cause you to get a distorted mass reading. Either way - who cares? It's impossible to travel at these speeds, and you're bitching about the mass.


It's not impossible thanks to splitting space apart and quantum entanglement.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#14 - 2011-12-01 17:40:31 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Lex Bird wrote:
A little odd thing I noticed with the new update:

mass of the Earth 5,973,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg OR 5.973 septillion kg

Mass of system STARGATE 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg

100 decillion kilograms?! Volume of 10,000,000 m3...

A density of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg/m3.

This is...absurd to say the least. That's practically a black hole. Hell, it has more mass than almost any star I can think of.
Can these values be changed to something a bit more realistic?

inB4 no one cares about object info.


Mysterious stargate technology is mysterious. Perhaps there is a black hole in there to power it. Or perhaps the high tech magical physics things happening inside cause you to get a distorted mass reading. Either way - who cares? It's impossible to travel at these speeds, and you're bitching about the mass.


A wizard did it.

Or possibly bears.

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Julius Rigel
#15 - 2011-12-01 17:43:51 UTC
Lex Bird wrote:
Julius Rigel wrote:
Lex Bird wrote:
Light beams are massless...


Not in eve they're not.


If they had mass, Amarr would be able to deal kinetic damage with their lasers.


But they do, it's just rounded to zero. Stargate light beams are much bigger, and there are trillions and trillions of them.

Do YOU like to undock?
gfldex
#16 - 2011-12-01 17:49:04 UTC
Lex Bird wrote:
If they had mass, Amarr would be able to deal kinetic damage with their lasers.


Kinetic damage is caused by impulse. Photons got impulse. That's what Einstein got his Nobel Price for.

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Crias Taylor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-01 18:04:21 UTC
The mass is that big because of eve physics and bumping. Way back in the day you could actually move star gates by bumping them. People would do this mostly to break insta warp ins (back be warp in at 0 was a thing the best you got was 15km, so you would make a BM 15km past the gate to drop on it a 0) by making the gate not line up with them.

CCPs solution to this was to give the gates **** you mass. There is no magical back story how something with black hole mass is not ripping the system apart.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#18 - 2011-12-01 18:06:13 UTC
That would explain the flying pos bug qa imposed by spawning 32 titans on the stations bump limit which sent said anchored station flying well out of the star system.

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Ione Dee
Lucror Commerce Investment Corporation
#19 - 2011-12-01 18:36:33 UTC
Crias Taylor wrote:
The mass is that big because of eve physics and bumping. Way back in the day you could actually move star gates by bumping them. People would do this mostly to break insta warp ins (back be warp in at 0 was a thing the best you got was 15km, so you would make a BM 15km past the gate to drop on it a 0) by making the gate not line up with them.

CCPs solution to this was to give the gates **** you mass. There is no magical back story how something with black hole mass is not ripping the system apart.


Which is probably good considering how many times I still bump into the damn things when I come out of warp.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#20 - 2011-12-02 06:21:27 UTC
So in theory if planets are much lighter than stargates, planets could still be bumped? Just found a use for those supercap fleets...
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