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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#141 - 2015-02-18 02:19:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Just shoot gankers. Most have negative crim sec status and are shootable on sight in high sec. It's much fun, they don't cry about it, and the smack talk is much enjoyable for everybody. It's a great hobby.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#142 - 2015-02-18 04:45:40 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lefty Lulu wrote:
Through all the pumping out of chests and tiresome smack talk, it all boils down to this. It's about cowards getting cheap kills the only way cowards know, by seeking out the peaceful.

Eve is approaching anarchy. Good luck with that.


EVE IS anarchy.

The point that's hard for many of us to understand is that if you want 'peaceful', why in the seven hells would you pick a game that has universal non-consensual pvp (non-consensual sandbox pvp games always attract people other games would call 'griefers') and has been advertised as a hive of villainy since at least 2003?

It's like someone going to a Hoe house and being shock (SHOCKED I tell you) at all the Hoeing goin down. WTF do you expect?



No one is taking away your precious non-consensual pvp. We are asking that Criminals be treated as such.

Your example of the hoe house is spot on, no one should be shocked there is hoeing going down, but neither should the man getting the hoe be shocked at his doctor bill for medical treatment afterwards.

We are asking that if you insist on screwing everything that moves in high-sec, that you have to take some penicillin when you are done.


I bet you dont even know what the risks and punishments are for ganking or how to gank either.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#143 - 2015-02-18 05:00:45 UTC
Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#144 - 2015-02-18 05:21:29 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game.



Really, tell me again how you can't lock anyone anywhere and shoot them at any time?

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#145 - 2015-02-18 05:25:54 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game.



Really, tell me again how you can't lock anyone anywhere and shoot them at any time?


We used to be able to tank concord.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#146 - 2015-02-18 05:28:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Market McSelling Alt
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game.



Really, tell me again how you can't lock anyone anywhere and shoot them at any time?


We used to be able to tank concord.



We used to be able to fit 3 MWDs too... what is your point?

You used to have nothing that could alpha a cruiser, but weapons got buffed. Things change, adapt and overcome. Ganking is easier now than it has ever been with Nados, Talos, Catalysts and haulers having to pick between cargo and tank. Now you can have an Orca or Bowhead drop your regank ships. Now you don't even need to dock. Now stuff actually drops from hangers and you don't even need a pickup alt because an MTU can do it for you.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#147 - 2015-02-18 05:36:15 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game.



Really, tell me again how you can't lock anyone anywhere and shoot them at any time?


We used to be able to tank concord.



We used to be able to fit 3 MWDs too... what is your point?

You used to have nothing that could alpha a cruiser, but weapons got buffed. Things change, adapt and overcome. Ganking is easier now than it has ever been with Nados, Talos, Catalysts and haulers having to pick between cargo and tank. Now you can have an Orca or Bowhead drop your regank ships. Now you don't even need to dock. Now stuff actually drops from hangers and you don't even need a pickup alt because an MTU can do it for you.


Acctually we did alpha cruisers, the change was they added more hp to all hulls to make fights last longer.

Right now ganking is at its lowest point, costs more than ever before, requires more people than ever before and targets have more defensive options than ever before.
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#148 - 2015-02-18 06:04:58 UTC
Advice: Fly a tanked Procurer.

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Lefty Lulu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#149 - 2015-02-18 06:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lefty Lulu
Concord is not shouldering it's responsibility in this matter, making the whole Concord concept quite the hazy lie.

If a disillusioned juvenile decides to attack and destroy a peaceful miner, then they should be made to reimburse the victim for the full cost of ship, cargo and fitting. This should only be possible by having all activity's but mining locked out to them, so that moneys owed to the victim would need to be earned by mining.

A victim support program, if you will.

How fun it would be to watch them working their little butts off to pay back, what they took from me. Lol
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#150 - 2015-02-18 06:45:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game.



Really, tell me again how you can't lock anyone anywhere and shoot them at any time?


We used to be able to tank concord.



We used to be able to fit 3 MWDs too... what is your point?

You used to have nothing that could alpha a cruiser, but weapons got buffed. Things change, adapt and overcome. Ganking is easier now than it has ever been with Nados, Talos, Catalysts and haulers having to pick between cargo and tank. Now you can have an Orca or Bowhead drop your regank ships. Now you don't even need to dock. Now stuff actually drops from hangers and you don't even need a pickup alt because an MTU can do it for you.


Acctually we did alpha cruisers, the change was they added more hp to all hulls to make fights last longer.

Right now ganking is at its lowest point, costs more than ever before, requires more people than ever before and targets have more defensive options than ever before.



That is just plain untrue. Yes hulls got a buff, so did weapons. In particular alpha weapons got huge buffs. Catalyst today puts out more DPS than ever before, and ganks now only require one guy and two alts.

But you can cherry pick the changes to the game all you want, popular opinion isn't going to change, people don't like being ganked and they sure as heck don't want it any easier for you to do so.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#151 - 2015-02-18 06:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Market McSelling Alt wrote:



That is just plain untrue. Yes hulls got a buff, so did weapons. In particular alpha weapons got huge buffs. Catalyst today puts out more DPS than ever before, and ganks now only require one guy and two alts.

But you can cherry pick the changes to the game all you want, popular opinion isn't going to change, people don't like being ganked and they sure as heck don't want it any easier for you to do so.


Weapons have not been buffed to anywhere near the level they used to have. Catalysts dont put out even close to the firepower we used to use when we had the gankageddon (all the lows filled with heatsinks that had no stacking penalties and tracking did not exist so all of that firepower landed) They are also not close to the firepower of the insured battleships we used to use.

The only person trying to cherry pick here is you.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#152 - 2015-02-18 06:55:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:



That is just plain untrue. Yes hulls got a buff, so did weapons. In particular alpha weapons got huge buffs. Catalyst today puts out more DPS than ever before, and ganks now only require one guy and two alts.

But you can cherry pick the changes to the game all you want, popular opinion isn't going to change, people don't like being ganked and they sure as heck don't want it any easier for you to do so.


Weapons have not been buffed to anywhere near the level they used to have. Catalysts dont put out even close to the firepower we used to use when we had the gankageddon. They are also not get close to the firepower of the insured battleships we used to use.

The only person trying to cherry pick here is you.



BS

http://belligerentundesirables.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/suicide-ganking-maths.png

Never could we see 34k dps from a ship that costs so little. Destroyers throwing out 12k. Buffs to weapons have been massive, and in the days you could tank concord there wasn't T2 anything, so you weren't anywhere close to these numbers, nor was there as much target opportunity.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#153 - 2015-02-18 06:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:



That is just plain untrue. Yes hulls got a buff, so did weapons. In particular alpha weapons got huge buffs. Catalyst today puts out more DPS than ever before, and ganks now only require one guy and two alts.

But you can cherry pick the changes to the game all you want, popular opinion isn't going to change, people don't like being ganked and they sure as heck don't want it any easier for you to do so.


Weapons have not been buffed to anywhere near the level they used to have. Catalysts dont put out even close to the firepower we used to use when we had the gankageddon. They are also not get close to the firepower of the insured battleships we used to use.

The only person trying to cherry pick here is you.



BS

http://belligerentundesirables.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/suicide-ganking-maths.png

Never could we see 34k dps from a ship that costs so little. Destroyers throwing out 12k. Buffs to weapons have been massive, and in the days you could tank concord there wasn't T2 anything, so you weren't anywhere close to these numbers, nor was there as much target opportunity.


There used to be no stacking penalties or tracking. My vindicators firepower is dwarfed by what an old gankageddon could put out. The cavelry raven would out punch a ******* deadnought.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#154 - 2015-02-18 07:01:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:



That is just plain untrue. Yes hulls got a buff, so did weapons. In particular alpha weapons got huge buffs. Catalyst today puts out more DPS than ever before, and ganks now only require one guy and two alts.

But you can cherry pick the changes to the game all you want, popular opinion isn't going to change, people don't like being ganked and they sure as heck don't want it any easier for you to do so.


Weapons have not been buffed to anywhere near the level they used to have. Catalysts dont put out even close to the firepower we used to use when we had the gankageddon. They are also not get close to the firepower of the insured battleships we used to use.

The only person trying to cherry pick here is you.



BS

http://belligerentundesirables.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/suicide-ganking-maths.png

Never could we see 34k dps from a ship that costs so little. Destroyers throwing out 12k. Buffs to weapons have been massive, and in the days you could tank concord there wasn't T2 anything, so you weren't anywhere close to these numbers, nor was there as much target opportunity.


There used to be no stacking penalties or tracking. My vindicators firepower is dwarfed by what an old gankageddon could put out. The cavelry raven would out punch a ******* deadnought.


In the times you are talking about a Geddon cost more than anyone would be willing to suicide in. You either never played back then, or you are distorting your nostalgia for the point of your argument.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#155 - 2015-02-18 07:03:18 UTC
Lefty Lulu wrote:
Concord is not shouldering it's responsibility in this matter, making the whole Concord concept quite the hazy lie.

If a disillusioned juvenile decides to attack and destroy a peaceful miner, then they should be made to reimburse the victim for the full cost of ship, cargo and fitting. This should only be possible by having all activity's but mining locked out to them, so that moneys owed to the victim would need to be earned by mining.

A victim support program, if you will.

How fun it would be to watch them working their little butts off to pay me back, what they took from me. Lol


CONCORD does exactly what it is supposed to do, and with greater efficiency than they used to.
Unlike a condom, they are not there for protection. They punish after the fact. If you tank well enough they may punish the offender before they kill you, but that's just a side effect of them doing their thing... your benefit in that situation is NOT the driving force behind their actions.

peaceful miner, rabid carebear, jaded bittervet, wide-eyed pvp newbro all suffer the same risk whenever they undock, that being the ship they fly and implants in their heads. They will be destroyed, it's only a matter of when. Instead of wishing upon a star for some kind of reimbursement you would be better served in taking better precautions to extend the lifespan of your vessel.

The only victims are the victims of their own poor judgement, lack of teamwork, failure to maintain situational awareness, and of course, laziness. *shrug*

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#156 - 2015-02-18 07:05:12 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Market McSelling Alt wrote:


In the times you are talking about a Geddon cost more than anyone would be willing to suicide in. You either never played back then, or you are distorting your nostalgia for the point of your argument.


they didnt have to suicide gank back then because the damn things could tank concord.

But hey you want something cheaper? How about a CRUISE MISSILE kestrel?
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#157 - 2015-02-18 07:07:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:


In the times you are talking about a Geddon cost more than anyone would be willing to suicide in. You either never played back then, or you are distorting your nostalgia for the point of your argument.


they didnt have to suicide gank back then because the damn things could tank concord.



So again, we are back to your vision of eve is to make the entire game Amamake... which means no one left to shoot and as boring as low sec is today.

Why should you be able to tank concord?

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#158 - 2015-02-18 07:07:43 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
CONCORD does exactly what it is supposed to do, and with greater efficiency than they used to.
Unlike a condom, they are not there for protection. They punish after the fact.
That CONCORD is retribution and not protection needs to be made clear to new players, pointing out how it is easier for players to protect each other in worm holes and null sec because they aren't limited.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#159 - 2015-02-18 07:09:55 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:


In the times you are talking about a Geddon cost more than anyone would be willing to suicide in. You either never played back then, or you are distorting your nostalgia for the point of your argument.


they didnt have to suicide gank back then because the damn things could tank concord.



So again, we are back to your vision of eve is to make the entire game Amamake... which means no one left to shoot and as boring as low sec is today.

Why should you be able to tank concord?


Yet again you miss the point.

You said you are not safer from ganks. I just gave you several example showing how you are very wrong.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#160 - 2015-02-18 07:11:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:


In the times you are talking about a Geddon cost more than anyone would be willing to suicide in. You either never played back then, or you are distorting your nostalgia for the point of your argument.


they didnt have to suicide gank back then because the damn things could tank concord.



So again, we are back to your vision of eve is to make the entire game Amamake... which means no one left to shoot and as boring as low sec is today.

Why should you be able to tank concord?


Yet again you miss the point.

You said you are not safer from ganks. I just gave you several example showing how you are very wrong.



Except you just said it wasnt a gank back then because you could tank concord... That is just low-sec pvp at that point.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.