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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#201 - 2015-02-18 13:14:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


do you think ccp just makes changes to game mechanics for the fun of things or on a whim? do they not listen to people about why they quit the game and how hard the game is for people to play or how much time they cant dedicate to play because so many reasons.

do they want to just cater for people who want to live in a high security space and shoot defenceless people when there is lowsec and nullsec which is very unpopulated compared to highsec, they probably have many factors on to which they base what they do on but im guessing the survey they ask when players quite plays a significant role in how they decide.

basically games evolve over time, you either have to adapt to the situation or you find another way around it. people need to stop living in some ego bubble where they base the reasons of what they do on some Eve philosophy or ethical grounds to support the core meaning of the game.


EVE had year on year growth that no other MMO has ever managed to match while it had all of that danger. Over the last few years after a lot of buffs to safety it has not grown.

There is zero evidence to back up your argument.


i suppose you have evidence to support this aswell yeah?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#202 - 2015-02-18 13:18:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


do you think ccp just makes changes to game mechanics for the fun of things or on a whim? do they not listen to people about why they quit the game and how hard the game is for people to play or how much time they cant dedicate to play because so many reasons.

do they want to just cater for people who want to live in a high security space and shoot defenceless people when there is lowsec and nullsec which is very unpopulated compared to highsec, they probably have many factors on to which they base what they do on but im guessing the survey they ask when players quite plays a significant role in how they decide.

basically games evolve over time, you either have to adapt to the situation or you find another way around it. people need to stop living in some ego bubble where they base the reasons of what they do on some Eve philosophy or ethical grounds to support the core meaning of the game.


EVE had year on year growth that no other MMO has ever managed to match while it had all of that danger. Over the last few years after a lot of buffs to safety it has not grown.

There is zero evidence to back up your argument.



BS

Eve had year over year growth after the time Concord was buffed and highsec was made "safer" in your words... it started to stagnate and die again at the exact same time the first Hulkageddon and then again at the second Hulkageddon.

Now, personally I don't think it was a cause and effect, but to claim that these "nerfs" to ganking slowed growth is hilarious, much more likely the uptick in high-sec ganking of miners and freighters slowed the growth.


There is far more evidence to my bad argument than the other.

Context, try using it.


Context? you have none. You have no idea what caused players to come or go from EvE. But there is a correlation with big gank events and population decline. There is however NO correlation to Concord buffs and population decline. In fact, our best years of growth were after Concord Buffs and introduction of freighters into the game.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#203 - 2015-02-18 13:19:04 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
snore...
what?
oh noes another of *those* threads again!

nerfs or bufs, eve will not die of that.
Ever heard of lo- and nullsec?
Where those big fights happen which eve is in the media for?
What hisec thingie got into the media?


A great number of ALODs, burn jita, the ice interdictions, the death of the imperial apoc, the fun M0o had.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#204 - 2015-02-18 13:21:04 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:


Context? you have none. You have no idea what caused players to come or go from EvE. But there is a correlation with big gank events and population decline. There is however NO correlation to Concord buffs and population decline. In fact, our best years of growth were after Concord Buffs and introduction of freighters into the game.


Why are you ignoring the post that I was answering to?
Dave Stark
#205 - 2015-02-18 13:22:18 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
You make it sound like there isn't guides for this kind of thing everywhere from TMC to Minerbumping.


perhaps if you'd read one, you might stop posting things so outrageously wrong. then again, probably not.


From TMC:

Quote:
"1)ADD CONCORD TO YOUR OVERVIEW. Seriously. Otherwise you're not going to notice Concord is already in the belt and get waxed immediately.

2)Make a hotkey for "engage drones". I like to use F9, then line up all of my mods I'm going to fire next to it, so I can mash, say, f4,f5,-f9. Drones are a key part of your dps and you need them engaged asap.

3)Do you have a high enough sec status to fly around in the system without getting gibbed by the faction police? Great! You should probably stock up the SMA with a few ships while you still can, and train a Mr. Happystandings (see below). If not, see the section below on life as a pirate.

4)A gank is 'lined up' with an alt. This alt futzes around the belt, and then sits next to a juicy-looking target. Your ganking ship then warps to your alt. If the miner is watching, they may notice you sitting next to them and get the **** out - if that happens, just line up a new gank. Even non-bots only pay attention every 10m or so.

5)Warp to your alt. Launch drones, then come to a complete stop (if you're in a blaster ship). Lock the target, then fire/tp/scram/web, then hit your engage drones hotkey (you made one, right?). Now, watch and wait. Once the ship blows up, use your alt (the one you lined up the gank with) to scoop the loot, then loot your own ship when CONCORD blows it up. Warp both your pod and your alt back to the closest station.

6)Immediately board a rookie ship or shuttle with your ganking alt, and undock. Don't touch anything after you do: wait for CONCORD to blow you up. You've just cleared CONCORD from the belt so the next guy can start his attack run.

7)**** up local something fierce."


Seeing as how 1 and 2 can be done and never done again, 3-6 are really the only parts of this guide.

Personally I think this is too extravagant as when I ganked I did it in Jita and only to the AFK inbounds on IV-4. But whatever, I forgot you must have a post-doctoral thesis on this very deep subject


and now you know how wrong you are, excellent.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#206 - 2015-02-18 13:24:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:


Context? you have none. You have no idea what caused players to come or go from EvE. But there is a correlation with big gank events and population decline. There is however NO correlation to Concord buffs and population decline. In fact, our best years of growth were after Concord Buffs and introduction of freighters into the game.


Why are you ignoring the post that I was answering to?



it wasnt an argument it was an opinion to why ccp make changes to game mechanics

but yeah "year on year growth"

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#207 - 2015-02-18 13:25:22 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


do you think ccp just makes changes to game mechanics for the fun of things or on a whim? do they not listen to people about why they quit the game and how hard the game is for people to play or how much time they cant dedicate to play because so many reasons.

do they want to just cater for people who want to live in a high security space and shoot defenceless people when there is lowsec and nullsec which is very unpopulated compared to highsec, they probably have many factors on to which they base what they do on but im guessing the survey they ask when players quite plays a significant role in how they decide.

basically games evolve over time, you either have to adapt to the situation or you find another way around it. people need to stop living in some ego bubble where they base the reasons of what they do on some Eve philosophy or ethical grounds to support the core meaning of the game.


EVE had year on year growth that no other MMO has ever managed to match while it had all of that danger. Over the last few years after a lot of buffs to safety it has not grown.

There is zero evidence to back up your argument.


i suppose you have evidence to support this aswell yeah?


CCPs own data and several gaming news sites. You should probably have looked that up before you posted.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#208 - 2015-02-18 13:26:38 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:


Context? you have none. You have no idea what caused players to come or go from EvE. But there is a correlation with big gank events and population decline. There is however NO correlation to Concord buffs and population decline. In fact, our best years of growth were after Concord Buffs and introduction of freighters into the game.


Why are you ignoring the post that I was answering to?



it wasnt an argument it was an opinion to why ccp make changes to game mechanics

but yeah "year on year growth"

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility


Thats not subs. Why do you people ALWAYS get that one wrong?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#209 - 2015-02-18 13:39:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:


Context? you have none. You have no idea what caused players to come or go from EvE. But there is a correlation with big gank events and population decline. There is however NO correlation to Concord buffs and population decline. In fact, our best years of growth were after Concord Buffs and introduction of freighters into the game.


Why are you ignoring the post that I was answering to?



it wasnt an argument it was an opinion to why ccp make changes to game mechanics

but yeah "year on year growth"

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility


Thats not subs. Why do you people ALWAYS get that one wrong?


http://www.themittani.com/features/falling-subscription-numbers-what-can-be-done

or is this site just talking rubbish?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#210 - 2015-02-18 13:53:57 UTC
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