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Blood Fart
Rock Hard Productions
#101 - 2011-12-01 19:47:39 UTC
leavwiz wrote:

happy pvp'ers


Happy Trails
Proteus Maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#102 - 2011-12-01 19:51:14 UTC
Quote:
If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay
and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.


Your jib Sir. . . The cut pleases me.
lawl

If Goons were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.
dorfsorc
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
#103 - 2011-12-01 19:54:52 UTC
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:
leavwiz wrote:
its not about the stuff, its about the fun

No, after reading your previous posts, it looks like it's about making Isk and playing for free.

I'm gald CCP did this and buffed losec and null. Big smile


i know leavwiz he was a fellow corpmate. He was generous to a fault, his gameplay was not about making isk , i am sure he gave away far more than i will ever earn as a combat pilot.

Changing the isk flow isnt what drove him and other corpmates from the game, It was the relentless destruction of the casual , friendly pleasant game that was high sec production and mining. I read his posts, he isnt trying to speak for all high sec players, just those that have fnally given up on the hope that EVE will continue to be a home for them in the gaming world.

I will be joining another high sec based corp and continue to run missions myself. I am sure i will continue to have fun. But yes, I am sad to see leavwiz and others like him go. (and no , he didnt give me all hiz stuffs, but he made sure i can play for as long as i choose to)

the dorf
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#104 - 2011-12-01 19:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Astrid Stjerna
leavwiz wrote:

its not about the stuff, its about the fun


My post wasn't about the stuff per se -- it was really about the idea of 'fun'.

If a pen-and-paper roleplayer sits his character in town for the entire game, he's probably going to get bored fairly quickly. The real fun is in exploring the dungeon (in this case, low/nullsec), fighting off the monsters and getting out alive with the loot.

It's high-security space, after all-- there aren't any NPC pirates of note, because CONCORD wouldn't let them operate. Therefore, low risk. Thus, less fun for someone looking for a real challenge.

That said -- it is, of course, silly to continue doing something if it's no longer fun. I hope that we haven't lost you permanently, but perhaps taking a break and seeing the MMO scene from another game's POV is a good idea.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2011-12-01 19:59:20 UTC
Lifelongnoob wrote:
i too think eve online has become too dependant on suicide ganking... its a silly game mechanic really.

no ship should die to a single volley imo. Pvp these days is over too quickly. lock, fire one volley at target, watch it explode, lock another target & repeat. there is no really epic dogfights anymore.

i think ALL ships (both indy and pvp) should have a major hp buff so that fights actually last more than one or two volleys


Tank modules?

Staying aligned?

Keeping track of local?

D-Scan?

No ship >should< get instapopped. They do, but that isn't necessarily EVE's fault.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#106 - 2011-12-01 20:06:58 UTC
dorfsorc wrote:


Changing the isk flow isnt what drove him and other corpmates from the game, It was the relentless destruction of the casual , friendly pleasant game that was high sec production and mining.


What has been done to destroy the casual friendly pleasant game that was highsec production and mining? Ganking? Wardecs? Price changes?

They're all player issues. Other players generated them; you as players get to be creative and deal with them in any of the many ways allowed.

Quitting the game and whining on the forum are the two least succesful of these methods though.

Quote:
I read his posts, he isnt trying to speak for all high sec players, just those that have fnally given up on the hope that EVE will continue to be a home for them in the gaming world.


Pro-tip analogy: When looking for a happy peaceful home, say in the mountains maybe, don't pick Afghanistan. They have PvP there too.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#107 - 2011-12-01 20:13:49 UTC
So the OP just figured out this isn't a theme park game and is getting out; this is six pages long. Why?

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Killie
Space Buddies
#108 - 2011-12-01 20:47:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Killie
You have tons of options open to you..... if you have billions of isk get in contact with a low sec corp, see if you can make them a deal. Give them good tax rates on a POCO if they can protect it for you. Offer them ships or minerals on the cheap, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS. Trading goods for services rendered = player interaction = what makes eve fun. Try it out.

btw: I live in low sec and never did a level 5 mission, pay sucks.

edit: I lived in a fairly secure low sec pocket with an anti pirate corp and I'm sure we would have let a corp like you have your own POCO or 2 or 3 and even protected it for you if you offered enough benefits. It's all about interacting with people and find something that will benefit you. Make it your new eve goal. A corp doesn't necessarily have to do everything at once. Some corps are logistics corps (RED AND BLACK FROG) some corps just like to shoot things (most low sec corps). The important thing to remember is, many many corps simply lack the means/will to mess with something like a poco. If you can give them a good incentive on decently priced ships or modules or reduced taxes on their planetary interaction I bet you will find some takers. Hell if you become valued enough i'm sure they will even scout you in so you don't get blown up. Good luck to you and hope you stick to this interesting and ever changing game. Fly dangerously Pirate
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#109 - 2011-12-01 20:51:59 UTC
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
So the OP just figured out this isn't a theme park game and is getting out; this is six pages long. Why?
Because, paradoxically, he still hasn't figured it out… What?
dorfsorc
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
#110 - 2011-12-01 21:01:38 UTC
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
So the OP just figured out this isn't a theme park game and is getting out; this is six pages long. Why?


i think its a combination of those that love to bash what they percieve as care bear types and those that love to show their inherent disdain for players that arent combat oriented. Each time someone like the OP posts regarding a game change or their wave goodbye, the majority of the posts seem intended only to point out what an idiot the person was for ever bothering to play or worse yet, to post in the forums.

My playstyle is different than his, but I still hate to see he and my other corpmates leaving the game that they used to love. perhaps it is just boredom or the unwilingness to adapt. but the vitriol heaped on them helps explain why they didnt get to know more of the community better. Heaven forbid if they speak there minds from their comfortable sandbox POS's in high sec space.

oh well at least he got whatever was bothering him off his chest and the rest of us will move on .
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#111 - 2011-12-01 21:03:46 UTC
I just liked the OP to tell I agree with his point on how casual soloers are being neglected and even prejudiced while nullsec whiners and PvP ganker bullies get love.

Crucible has provided me with zero gameplay, zero goals, and zero reasons to keep playing.

And CCP better gives me something TO DO by summer expansion, else they will have one customer and two accounts less.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#112 - 2011-12-01 21:09:05 UTC
leavwiz wrote:
message clearly received. High sec players that are soloists or in small corps are not wanted.

As the last remaining player in my once fun and thriving corp, I too will be moving on to an mmo where production and harvesting are operational spheres that dont require subjecting yourself to gank happy pvp'ers

I have taken down the POS with its construction and research bays
I have hauled our stuff to Jita and sold it at buy prices (so no you cant have my stuff)
I will not bother to visit my PI sites again as launch taxes now exceed the market value of the goods from my humble , low efficiency high sec planets.

When my plex runs out you can add me to the growing statistic of casual players that find no game value in EVE anymore.

perhaps i should turn on my CQ option again to remind me how well dev resources were spent on creating a login lagfest, so I wont wax sentimental about rejoining the game.

To those who I have been able to assist with materials and ships, perhaps our paths will cross again in the mmo's we discussed. in the meantime, fly safe. have fun
leavwiz


Sorry to see you go, bub. I've been there myself...sometimes you gotta do what's best for you and ignore the rabble. Be well in whatever you decide to do! o/
"If."
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#113 - 2011-12-01 21:11:13 UTC
Exploration and the way I play has not changed at all.

Of course, my style of play was never "ISK Vacume at all costs including actually playing".

The only way CCP is going to drive me away is to come up with a "Explode on undock if not in major alliance" feature.

Surely those major alliances accomplish that in 0.0, which is why I don't use the gates they sit on (and keep a cloak in a high slot), but that's why nobody wants to play with them. Yet they will complain when they get bored too.

Oh well. I know CCP is planning something by driving off the more productive players - perhaps they felt that the game was getting too full of an "entitlement mentality".


But I am certain that in the long run, those people who liked the cheap BCs and BSs for their daily loss in PVP and foolish mistakes in PVe will also have to HTFU.

So relish in seeing others get driven off. Lack of EvE is not going to kill them and they will have forgotten the game in a while. But when even the hardore leet Jan Bradys around here start worrying about losing ships and their carebear highsec alt can't earn enough ISK to keep them supplied and pay for that PLEX, the tears will come flowing from a new direction.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Archy Mayaki
Doomheim
#114 - 2011-12-01 21:13:54 UTC
That's the cycle of gaming. People leaving and People joining all the time but we all love drama, don't we?

Also this new PI situation is great.
leavwiz
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
#115 - 2011-12-01 21:15:10 UTC
had no idea this thread would run on so, thanks to those that offered thoughts, constructive or otherwise. I hope the future does bring more casual/high sec content. I hope dorfsorc finds a corp worthy of his pilot skills. I hope someone figures out a reason to do PI in high sec in a small corp. I hope i that before my plex run out in can transfer hundreds of bpc's and bpo's to an interested production person.

It has been an interesting ride, but the last 3 releases do nothing for players like me and losing friends in chat and corp has taken its toll. I hope everyone has a good holiday and look forward to the coming year. Be safe
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#116 - 2011-12-01 21:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: arcca jeth
leavwiz wrote:
Serial Chi wrote:
what game are you going to btw?


i had avoided naming other mmo's in my post, but in response to your question, I play vanguard (all my primary characters are crafters and diplos)
It is a game for mature players that dont expect to make max level in a matter of weeks. great community as well.



I love that game but quit after its initial release. I'd go back to it if it had a decent player base...
Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
#117 - 2011-12-01 21:24:39 UTC
Lol any serious industrialist knows that taxes are only ever a problem for the consumers. Learn to play, and let the door hit you on the way out.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#118 - 2011-12-01 21:28:55 UTC
leavwiz wrote:
had no idea this thread would run on so, thanks to those that offered thoughts, constructive or otherwise. I hope the future does bring more casual/high sec content. I hope dorfsorc finds a corp worthy of his pilot skills. I hope someone figures out a reason to do PI in high sec in a small corp. I hope i that before my plex run out in can transfer hundreds of bpc's and bpo's to an interested production person.

It has been an interesting ride, but the last 3 releases do nothing for players like me and losing friends in chat and corp has taken its toll. I hope everyone has a good holiday and look forward to the coming year. Be safe


Shared feeling here. Casual soloers have been neglected for long or downright prejudiced (Lvl5 got "fixed", hoooray Roll ), and lately even those of us who hoped about Incarna have been disappointed.

Yet apparently gankers got new ships and nullsec gangsters got something else to blow and all that sinful WiS stuff was put on ice for good. And everything is well and dandy for DUST to come and give more nullsec content while hisec busy people with a life can pretty much go f**k ourselves... or play other games. if we find them, that is.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2011-12-01 21:44:09 UTC
I agree with OP it is not as fun in high sec for small corps as it used to be so I'm shutting my operations down and letting my accounts expire, once the last job is complete everything goes off line, I'm keeping my toys so U can't haz, I'm hoping in time it will get better in high sec for small corps so will need it all.

People voice that they are leaving in hopes CCP is listening, that's my reason for posting anyway.

I had a good long run and was fun while it lasted but I also hope to someday come back to a better Eve.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Ol Gregg
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2011-12-01 22:26:16 UTC
Hey, Low/Null Morons..

Once CCP manages to chase off all the high-sec carebears (Who, I might add, you used to be just like. You weren't born in null.) then they'll lose even more revenue than their horrible management already has.

Not to mention, you'll be forced to actually shoot each other instead of setting everything blue before it has the slightest chance of pressing F1.

Good luck recruiting when the playerbase goes down the tubes and when you can't supply yourself because you're too elitist to mine.

Jerkfaces.