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A question regarding the privacy of EVE-mail.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1 - 2015-02-14 11:52:59 UTC
I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits.

I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. Question
Mag's
Azn Empire
#2 - 2015-02-14 11:55:19 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits.

I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. Question
I just read all your mails and you really have nothing to worry about. That rash should clear up in a week.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2015-02-14 11:56:11 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits.

I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. Question


Yep. Any evemail.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#4 - 2015-02-14 12:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Malcanis wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits.

I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. Question


Yep. Any evemail.


That's interesting, as nobody CCP warned me that full APIs would compromise my privacy if I as much as sent a evemail to someone and that someone intended to join a player corporation and provided a full API.

Let's say that for some reason, I trust someone and evemail him some personal data, and that someone joins a corporation unaware of what a full API does mean to any personal data being shared through CCP's services...

I really wonder now whether CCP warns of that, somewhere.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#5 - 2015-02-14 12:12:58 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits.

I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. Question


Yep. Any evemail.


That's interesting, as nobody CCP warned me that full APIs would compromise my privacy if I as much as sent a evemail to someone and that someone intended to join a player corporation and provided a full API.

Let's say that for some reason, I trust someone and evemail him some personal data, and that someone joins a corporation unaware of what a full API does mean to any personal data being shared through CCP's services...

I really wonder now whether CCP warns of that, somewhere.



I don't know what else you thought full API meant? TBH this is pretty common knowledge, and given that GMs can also read your evemails, I can't think why anyone would ever put anything personal into one.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#6 - 2015-02-14 12:26:40 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits.

I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. Question


Yep. Any evemail.


That's interesting, as nobody CCP warned me that full APIs would compromise my privacy if I as much as sent a evemail to someone and that someone intended to join a player corporation and provided a full API.

Let's say that for some reason, I trust someone and evemail him some personal data, and that someone joins a corporation unaware of what a full API does mean to any personal data being shared through CCP's services...

I really wonder now whether CCP warns of that, somewhere.



I don't know what else you thought full API meant? TBH this is pretty common knowledge, and given that GMs can also read your evemails, I can't think why anyone would ever put anything personal into one.



Is a "pretty common knowledge" which I ignored until just 20 minutes ago, after playing the game for most of 6 years and never needing to give a full API to anyone. Now, I don't know whether I ever said anything personal on evemail, and also don't know if that is being warned anywhere by CCP.

But I am upset that such a delicate matter is just left to be learned by chance. I never wrote evemail thinking that every last recruiter in EVE could read them.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#7 - 2015-02-14 12:31:33 UTC
It's not "by chance", there's a freaking tab for mail on the API page. It could not be more obvious.

Stop trying to manufacture controversy.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#8 - 2015-02-14 12:32:44 UTC
As you yourself say, you ignored the issue. That's not the same as it being any kind of deep dirty secret.

Anyway, now you've asked about something you were concerned about, you've found out the information you needed, and you can act on your knowledge.

Be careful that this doesn't set some kind of precedent you might later come to regret.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#9 - 2015-02-14 13:15:37 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

Is a "pretty common knowledge" which I ignored until just 20 minutes ago, after playing the game for most of 6 years

yes, even i knew that and im hammered most of the time
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#10 - 2015-02-14 14:35:29 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits.

I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. Question


Yep. Any evemail.


That's interesting, as nobody CCP warned me that full APIs would compromise my privacy if I as much as sent a evemail to someone and that someone intended to join a player corporation and provided a full API.

Let's say that for some reason, I trust someone and evemail him some personal data, and that someone joins a corporation unaware of what a full API does mean to any personal data being shared through CCP's services...

I really wonder now whether CCP warns of that, somewhere.



I don't know what else you thought full API meant? TBH this is pretty common knowledge, and given that GMs can also read your evemails, I can't think why anyone would ever put anything personal into one.



Is a "pretty common knowledge" which I ignored until just 20 minutes ago, after playing the game for most of 6 years and never needing to give a full API to anyone. Now, I don't know whether I ever said anything personal on evemail, and also don't know if that is being warned anywhere by CCP.

But I am upset that such a delicate matter is just left to be learned by chance. I never wrote evemail thinking that every last recruiter in EVE could read them.


so it's everyones fault that you decided to read feck all over the last 6 years.

you gave your full api key to poeple and couldn't be bothered asking why they need it.
this is standard stuff in EVE recruitment, infact checks into players go a lot deeper than that. stop acting like you didn't know, i refuse to believe this shite.


Indahmawar Fazmarai
#11 - 2015-02-14 14:44:59 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Is a "pretty common knowledge" which I ignored until just 20 minutes ago, after playing the game for most of 6 years and never needing to give a full API to anyone. Now, I don't know whether I ever said anything personal on evemail, and also don't know if that is being warned anywhere by CCP.

But I am upset that such a delicate matter is just left to be learned by chance. I never wrote evemail thinking that every last recruiter in EVE could read them.


so it's everyones fault that you decided to read feck all over the last 6 years.

you gave your full api key to poeple and couldn't be bothered asking why they need it.
this is standard stuff in EVE recruitment, infact checks into players go a lot deeper than that. stop acting like you didn't know, i refuse to believe this shite.




Go back to reading comprehension 101. I've never needed a full API, so when should I have learned that OTHERS giving THEIR full APIs would compromise MY evemails to them?
Elenahina
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-02-14 14:46:27 UTC
My standard rule of thumb is pretty simple - if you don't want other people to know something, don't write it down. If you write it down, chances are, it will come back to bite you at some point.

And let's be honest, it's not like Eve Mail was ever secret - the GMs can read them as can, I expect, the database team, the developers, and anyone else who has a modicum of access to anything at all at CCP. They were never private to begin with - just like your email and your IM's and your facebook messages.

If you actually sat back and thought about all the people who have access to the items you put online, you'd never post anything again.

Our network engineers could, in theory, read this post I am writing, as soon as I hit send, and it gets bounced through the company proxy server.

If you just assume that anything you post anywhere on the internet will be readable by everyone in the world and will never ever get totally deleted, you'd make smarter decisions about this stuff.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Elenahina
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-02-14 14:49:45 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Go back to reading comprehension 101. I've never needed a full API, so when should I have learned that OTHERS giving THEIR full APIs would compromise MY evemails to them?


What part of "A full API gives access to ALL evemails in a person's mailbox" is confusing you? You obviously understand the concept of a full API or you wouldn't be worried about it. Is the inbox part of the mailbox? Why yes, yes it is. As is the sent items box.

The logic here is not herculean - as a picture, it pretty much paints itself.

For the record, it also gives access to evemails they have sent to the trash bin,. assuming it hasn't been emptied.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Memphis Baas
#14 - 2015-02-14 14:50:52 UTC
Just like with real emails, they're possibly readable by a slew of routers that the message passes through, and by the NSA, and your recipient friend has a permanent copy and can fully post all your private info and photos on the internets for everyone to see.

So, do not send private information through the in-game email.

If you have, already, delete it, and ask your friend to delete it. He/she probably will, if they're your friend.

And if they don't, a bunch of recruiters and directors, who are probably so swamped by join requests and corporate drama issues that they don't even have time to eat, may see your in-game mail and disregard it. They're typically looking for signs that you're a spy, corp thief, or awoxer, really, and probably won't even care to read whatever private info you've disclosed.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#15 - 2015-02-14 14:51:18 UTC
On that same note: any 3rd party program that makes use of API is probably collecting info on your alts (which characters are added, your standings, money trails etc), your POS locations, any supers you may be building and whatnot.
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#16 - 2015-02-14 15:11:55 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I really wonder now whether CCP warns of that, somewhere.

having 'no expectation of privacy' regarding any info you send through the service is somewhere in the tos or eula

few people read those, and i don't consider it entirely their fault if they're ignorant of the information shared by the api

i knew about the api and was still surprised when one of my mails turned up on a blog
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#17 - 2015-02-14 15:12:01 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Just like with real emails, they're possibly readable by a slew of routers that the message passes through, and by the NSA, and your recipient friend has a permanent copy and can fully post all your private info and photos on the internets for everyone to see.

So, do not send private information through the in-game email.

If you have, already, delete it, and ask your friend to delete it. He/she probably will, if they're your friend.

And if they don't, a bunch of recruiters and directors, who are probably so swamped by join requests and corporate drama issues that they don't even have time to eat, may see your in-game mail and disregard it. They're typically looking for signs that you're a spy, corp thief, or awoxer, really, and probably won't even care to read whatever private info you've disclosed.


Maybe we're losing focus here.

What bothers me is not that "my" API gives "my" information but that "their" API will give out "my" information too, and I have not been warned of that before using the evemail service.
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#18 - 2015-02-14 15:12:44 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
On that same note: any 3rd party program that makes use of API is probably collecting info on your alts (which characters are added, your standings, money trails etc), your POS locations, any supers you may be building and whatnot.

nah
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#19 - 2015-02-14 15:14:36 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Maybe we're losing focus here.

What bothers me is not that "my" API gives "my" information but that "their" API will give out "my" information too, and I have not been warned of that before using the evemail service.



Not really. Everyone's focus is "well duh" and "this took you 6 years to figure out?".
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#20 - 2015-02-14 15:58:12 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
What bothers me is not that "my" API gives "my" information but that "their" API will give out "my" information too, and I have not been warned of that before using the evemail service.

I'm not much of a fan of it.

Sure, over time I have discussed personal matters with friends in EVE, I often speak of family or personal goings-on in the forums threads I hang out in, and in mails I often go deeper into it with friends I trust. Like my dad's recent illness or troubles at work.

RL stuff aside, as an RP'er it's also not unusual for me to send or receive mails of a.... err, personal nature Lol

Personal to my character, that is.

I've had comments from leadership in prior corps about the contents of my inbox lmao, and as I mentioned in my corp's channel just recently in fact, if a complete non-RPer looked into my inbox they would prolly freak the **** out. Big smile

So yeah, these days I never give full API access. You'll get my character details, wallet and contacts but that's about it.

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