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Nerfs, and the coming of the second shard

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#461 - 2015-02-14 18:10:47 UTC
Lupe Meza wrote:


Yes but the onus is on you to show how the two are so different if that is your argument.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Corporation_management_guide

The functionality is near identical to an actual corporation, down to having shares, shareholders and dividends. Again this is a weak argument. Probably because my point is so valid that this is the only point you cling to as to avoid the actual issue. Textbook strawman and deflection.


The difference is this is a game, not real life.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#462 - 2015-02-14 18:18:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Lupe Meza wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Lupe Meza wrote:
As hard as you're trying to quibble over semantics with no real point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation

"A corporation is a company or group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law. Early incorporated entities were established by charter (i.e. by an ad hoc act granted by a monarch or passed by a parliament or legislature)."

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Corporation_%28Disambiguation%29

"A Corporation (Corp for short) is a virtual Company in New Eden, it may be a public Corporation or private Corporation consisting of a group of pod pilots in EVE that work together for a common purpose."

As much as it's fun to take 2015 Earth meanings and apply them to New Eden.

A lot could happen in the next 20,000 years at the time we are all playing.

Who knows? Could be totally different and RL comparisons might best be left out. It's all crystal balling otherwise.


Yes but the onus is on you to show how the two are so different if that is your argument.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Corporation_management_guide

The functionality is near identical to an actual corporation, down to having shares, shareholders and dividends. Again this is a weak argument. Probably because my point is so valid that this is the only point you cling to as to avoid the actual issue. Textbook strawman and deflection.


As mentioned repeatedly, analogising fiction with fact is not an argument, so it's rather ironic when you call anyone's argument weak. There are no wardec mechanics between corporations in real life, and while you call others' arguments weak, you don't even have one with this. It's not even a weak argument, it's a complete non-argument.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#463 - 2015-02-15 00:19:54 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
As mentioned repeatedly, analogising fiction with fact is not an argument, so it's rather ironic when you call anyone's argument weak. There are no wardec mechanics between corporations in real life, and while you call others' arguments weak, you don't even have one with this. It's not even a weak argument, it's a complete non-argument.

That would be pretty hilarious, wardec mechanics in real life

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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#464 - 2015-02-15 00:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
It's simple really.

CCP invested a ton of eve player subscription cash down the pan at dust and world of darkness with a view to expanding their portfolio given they could or can only assume Eve would only last so long.

Most companies must look to the future. Management and forward planning play a significant part of course. They got it wrong.

Eve is being watered down atm in the hope it can attract in more casual players that stay subbed to offset the result of previous bad decisions which have impacted the company financially.

The core fundamentals of this game are changing because 35k people online vs 65k online on the weekends a few years back speaks for itself.

Am i wrong?

Concord Approved Trader
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#465 - 2015-02-15 00:58:53 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
It's simple really.

CCP invested a ton of eve player subscription cash down the pan at dust and world of darkness with a view to expanding their portfolio given they could or can only assume Eve would only last so long.

Most companies must look to the future. Management and forward planning play a significant part of course. They got it wrong.

Eve is being watered down atm in the hope it can attract in more casual players that stay subbed to offset the result of previous bad decisions which have impacted the company financially.

The core fundamentals of this game are changing because 35k people online vs 65k online on the weekends a few years back speaks for itself.

Am i wrong?
I only have one nitpick, 65K online is the record, it was never the norm.

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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#466 - 2015-02-15 01:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
It's simple really.

CCP invested a ton of eve player subscription cash down the pan at dust and world of darkness with a view to expanding their portfolio given they could or can only assume Eve would only last so long.

Most companies must look to the future. Management and forward planning play a significant part of course. They got it wrong.

Eve is being watered down atm in the hope it can attract in more casual players that stay subbed to offset the result of previous bad decisions which have impacted the company financially.

The core fundamentals of this game are changing because 35k people online vs 65k online on the weekends a few years back speaks for itself.

Am i wrong?
I only have one nitpick, 65K online is the record, it was never the norm.

60k was the average - give or take 5k - that aside, nothing detracts from the fact that ccp have lost give or take 20k players online from peak times at the weekend from a few years back - that does speak for itself.

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Orlacc
#467 - 2015-02-15 01:17:57 UTC
Have I stumbled into an "EVE is dying" thread?

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#468 - 2015-02-15 01:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
OP forgot several things:

- Orca introduced the ability to transfer ore without a can, DST now get that same treatment for "no obvious reason"
- barges/exhumers now have massive oreholds meaning miner have to make less choices about what to put in their low slots
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#469 - 2015-02-15 02:41:46 UTC
I'd like to see CCP change crimewatch so that outlaw characters ships are concorded in high sec regardless of GCC. The gankbear tears would be epic.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#470 - 2015-02-15 02:51:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
I want to see CCP solve a problem for me that I'm actually perfectly capable of solving myself.

Yeah sure. No problem. Just make belt rats untankable too and let all NPCs pod players.

e. Also. FTFY
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#471 - 2015-02-15 02:57:11 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
I'd like to see CCP change crimewatch so that outlaw characters ships are concorded in high sec regardless of GCC. The gankbear tears would be epic.

Yeah sure. No problem. Just make belt rats untankable too and let all NPCs pod players.


Consequences, harden up, etc.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#472 - 2015-02-15 03:03:04 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Consequences, harden up, etc.

Harden up what exactly?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#473 - 2015-02-15 03:03:59 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
I'd like to see CCP change crimewatch so that outlaw characters ships are concorded in high sec regardless of GCC. The gankbear tears would be epic.


I'd like to see mechanical consequences enforced on any other playstyle besides gankers, since they stand alone in that regard.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#474 - 2015-02-15 03:20:33 UTC
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:

60k was the average - give or take 5k - that aside, nothing detracts from the fact that ccp have lost give or take 20k players online from peak times at the weekend from a few years back - that does speak for itself.

Weekly average all time record. 36400.
Weekly average currently, 27,000
Weekly average 2008, About 24,000.

Is it a fraction down, yes, however use the real statistics rather than fake ones and you do better.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#475 - 2015-02-15 03:28:01 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:

60k was the average - give or take 5k - that aside, nothing detracts from the fact that ccp have lost give or take 20k players online from peak times at the weekend from a few years back - that does speak for itself.

Weekly average all time record. 36400.
Weekly average currently, 27,000
Weekly average 2008, About 24,000.

Is it a fraction down, yes, however use the real statistics rather than fake ones and you do better.


What were the weekend statistics? That's what BBLT was referring to with the 65 and 60 +/- 5 comment.

I don't honestly know myself, just not possible to discredit an argument by using the wrong stats.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#476 - 2015-02-15 03:33:35 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Consequences, harden up, etc.

Harden up what exactly?


Your delicate sensibilities.

Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#477 - 2015-02-15 03:34:42 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
I'd like to see CCP change crimewatch so that outlaw characters ships are concorded in high sec regardless of GCC. The gankbear tears would be epic.


I'd like to see mechanical consequences enforced on any other playstyle besides gankers, since they stand alone in that regard.


Do you even play this game?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#478 - 2015-02-15 03:36:14 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Consequences, harden up, etc.

Harden up what exactly?

Your delicate sensibilities.

Oh if that's all, then don't worry about me.

For a lowsec pvper, you seem to be a bit dependent on CCP to solve problems. So let's both harden up a bit hey.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#479 - 2015-02-15 03:37:56 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Consequences, harden up, etc.

Harden up what exactly?

Your delicate sensibilities.

Oh if that's all, then don't worry about me.

For a lowsec pvper, you seem to be a bit dependent on CCP to solve problems. So let's both harden up a bit hey.


What problems?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#480 - 2015-02-15 03:39:49 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
I'd like to see CCP change crimewatch so that outlaw characters ships are concorded in high sec regardless of GCC. The gankbear tears would be epic.


I'd like to see mechanical consequences enforced on any other playstyle besides gankers, since they stand alone in that regard.


Do you even play this game?


If you disagree, then please enlighten me as to what other playstyles come with mechanical consequences to even a tiny degree in comparison to ganking.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.