EVE General Discussion

No I meant it as written

Where the "if" is merely rhetorical; we are taking it as a given that eve will soon be dead.


Don't rearrange things to make it look as if we're discussing some unlikely/hypothetical occurrence and leave it as though i was saying your edited-to-not-mean-the-same-thing-at-all version of it, thanks.

We also lost remote aoe doomsday technology, so I guess the military link technology was suddenly lost to capsuleers.

Maybe if you are an npc you could still get military links. ie: join concord today? i guess their teleporting is fatigueless as well

As hard as you're trying to quibble over semantics with no real point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation

"A corporation is a company or group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law. Early incorporated entities were established by charter (i.e. by an ad hoc act granted by a monarch or passed by a parliament or legislature)."

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Corporation_%28Disambiguation%29

"A Corporation (Corp for short) is a virtual Company in New Eden, it may be a public Corporation or private Corporation consisting of a group of pod pilots in EVE that work together for a common purpose."


One is virtual on is the real world representation of the virtualization sure, but for the purposes of the game and real life they serve the same function and can be treated as equivalent, a point to which you have no substantive argument against other than "nuh uh" apparently.

The point was that you should no more be able to go after individual players of a dissolved corp in game anymore than you could in reality since the corporation and its assets are the target. Wardeccers use these same corp protections to hide their assets and carebear themselves in feeder corps separate from their actions and away from possible reprisal.

If you want to argue that wardecs should follow an individual player regardless of corp affiliation, the wardeccing corp and all players should also expose all assets linked to their group as collective players by the same logic. Any alts and assets in space linked to those accounts not tied to a non-deccable NPC corp should be engageable by all participants and allies without concord reprisal for the duration of the war; neatly inventoried and catalogued for all involved to see as part of filing the wardec. Since, you know, the argument is that you should be able to go after individual players, not corporations.

But I doubt many mercs would get behind that. Nor would it make much sense since, again, you shouldn't be able to go after the players of a corporation personally, but the corporate entity itself which is separate by definition of what a corporation IS and how it is treated by legal organizations virtual or otherwise.

If someone wants to go after players you have to suck it up and take the concord retribution if you want to go after them in high. You already have the tools you need.

Meat. Pudding. Pink Floyd and all that.

The game is far from dead. There will be a "second age".

I've been ratting and doing data sites in Syndicate for a few days and I don't honestly know why anyone would live there. I can run hubs reasonably quickly in my deimos but I have to do it in an empty system and dock up whenever a neutral enters local. The Isk/hour is godawful and the data sites don't even bear mentioning. 5m ISK from 2 sites where I was able to hack all but one container...what's the point? Especially when I can best-case do almost 100m an hour doing FW plexes in a frigate.

Combat sites can be good but the competition over those can be pretty fierce and you have to risk an expensive ship to run them. And better than 3/4 of the sites I find are either rogue drones, which are difficult and pay ****, or unrated complexes that best case will expect me to try and complete an escalation scattered around pirate infested space for even the chance of a decent payout.

Syndicate sucks. There's no money and the locals try to shoot me. Going back to FW lowsec.

So I'm beginning to sympathize with the notion that people who aren't part of major power blocs need better ways to make ISK in null. Making data sites not suck would be good. Making rogue drone sites not suck would be good for low also. I found 6 in one system recently because no one bothers with them.

There is a nice place called Sujarento in Caldari FW space. If you and your corp move into one of the stations there and start trash talking the locals, I PROMISE you will acquire all the content you could ever want.

What makes you think anyone playing EVE deserves 'sympathy'? You're talking like there are special rules of engagement here that should be adhered to or else you'll write 'em an angry letter or something.

I never said that, and you didn't specify month old players either, you said, and I quote from above, "People who like to hunt meta 0 fit retrievers with garmurs and strategic cruisers deserve no sympathy." There's literally nothing about 'month old players' in that shpiel which beggars the question: why are you strawmanning? Were you trying to make a point of some kind? You can't expect anyone to understand what that point is if you're gonna be all over the ballpark like this. You should probably decide on a point first, then try to make as succinct and concise a presentation of it as possible. Otherwise, you just come across as another raving, mouth-frothing lunatic throwing a tantrum about people who don't play according to your E-honour rules.

Back in my day, there was no TrammelEve.

Sorry if that's what you took away, if so you completely missed the point or didn't actually read the post.

Firstly I wouldn't waste time trying to prove a poster bonkers, it'd be just impossible to prove in through medium and frankly not a constructive use of my time. Unlike getting in silly back and forths apparently. I need to re-examine my priorities.

Anyway, proving an idea is "bonkers" is quite doable. The original idea was that wardecs should follow players, i.e. the consequences of wardecs should follow the player not die with the actual corporation decced. But if this is the case, that wardecs should now follow players, not the corps themselves, why then should the aggressor be able to hide their assets as a player in shell and alt corporations? Why should they be able to use the protections of corporations to hunt targets using "neutrals". SInce this should be a "player vs player thing" now shouldn't all parties involved have all their assets laid bare and exposed to the same level of risk for the duration of war.

If that sounded bonkers, it probably is. Especially given my second point that individuals in a corp are not pursuable, but corporations are. This is demonstrable in the real world and in in the virtual world of EVE through looking at any of the multitude of game mechanics and info of corporations I've shared. The counter that EVE Corporations represent something different simply by virtue of being virtual constructs is fallacious as we have a clear understanding of their structure and they are clearly based on the corporate concept as we know it. Furthermore there has been no point presented on why exactly the law of concord should treat corporations differently in how far the reach of punitive actions extends as opposed to the real world corporations they are clearly based on.

Nothing I have said is at all unfair. If you don't like the point or agree with it fine, but that doesn't invalidate the point. Nor does arguing semantics and not addressing the point directly; why should wardecs follow players after a corporation is dissolved if a wardec is something that you do to a corporation, not a player?