EVE General Discussion

For someone who hates hi-sec you sure are making an effort to try get back in.

Buy some tags with all that isk from doing pve in nullsec.

I thought that maybe giving newbies a few days or a week in a tutorial system, that is like null before being moved to the main server might be interesting.

The time limit helps to ensure that veterans aren't there long or achieve much.

You need to read your question again, specifically the part where you assume that a PVP fit ship with polarised weapons is somehow not an easy target for gankers.

I don't think CCP should do anything with the NPE to promote PVP honestly.

This is advertised as a player driven game, players shouldn't really be told they have to do anything. The NPE should show some of what is available and a handful of possibilities and some basics on mechanics and pretty much that is. It should show them what choices they can make. PVP isn't a prerequisite for EVE. You can have a fine career in EVE without killing anyone taking up an Exploration or Industrial track. You can have the a killboard redder than a baboon's ass and your game will boot up just fine and you won't be greeted with a "You account has been terminated, you suck; Love CCP" message.

Just because some players make the entirety of their game experience about blowing up random capsuleers, sometimes even outside the docking ring, does not mean that is something that everyone should aspire to. Being a carebear, while boring IMO, is a perfectly legit choice. Just like the choice to spend your days refusing to kill anything with actual guns on it is a choice. Just like spamming duel invites to catch a clueless sucker is a choice. Just like deccing everyone in local in High Sec is a choice. I'm not going to pretend that the later examples are more worthy ways of spending your gametime. Your gametime should be spent however you want, it's your sub and it is a sandbox.

If you want more players to PVP, take the time to seek out new players and blood for your PVP corps. Recruit, take them under your wing, go on fleets. Show them how fun and awesome it is. Show them how to live in low, how to live in null. D-Scan, Dotlan, In game map statistics, show them how to be successful. That's not something CCP should do that is something that players should be doing. If your way of EVE life is best, prove it. Or don't.

There is no benefit for any single PVE activity in the game by being in an actual wardeccable corp.

You need both the carrot and the stick.

Applying the stick alone does nothing for the PVE player, since the perfect loophole to skip wars already exists. If the loophole disappeared, there is still nothing you could do to make that player undock. As this is a game of alts, you are likely having no effect on a typical player's livelihood.

Incentivize PVE players by providing benefits to their activities for being in a corp and tie it to corp age and player membership in corp age (not my idea, it is Sabriz's). Disincentivize NPC corps by raising their taxes and applying these taxes to other activities (like say.. selling on the market).




This is a value judgment on your part. Just because you want to defend the corp name, or join the army during draft time, or (insert any activity you'd like here), doesn't mean that some other person has the same priorities and the same values. We can argue that a lot of types of personal values may be bad for EVE as a game long term, but just because players don't go up in arms to defend a corp during a wardec isn't necessarily an end to EVE as we know it.

Some people make corps to be social and the name itself may be meaningless. As long as the loophole exists, it would be foolish for them not to use it. There is no e-honor requirement for wardecs and decc-dodging.

You are consenting to PVP as soon as you undock. However, nobody should have to consent to not utilizing any and every legal method in the game to get ahead. In this case, a player who doesn't care for a wardec does not participate in one. Running away is a perfectly valid strategy in 100% of cases.

It had a huge impact on ganking making it massively more expensive.



sec status loss is not the only penalty that has increased, not by a long shot.


While that might be true it is still another nerf to the "bad guys" of highsec.


What the OP is highlighting is that there has been a massive reduction in risk for highsec while the rewards have seen no reduction. Infact they have been buffed greatly.

Scip, I'm really trying to think of a way to troll you, but I just can't.

Here, have this hug instead.

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Of course it can be. But CCP has made it clear that those that treat as such, whether because they think that is what they should do, because the think they enjoy it, or because they don't know better, tend not to stick with the game. CCP recognizes that of all the gameplay offered in the sandbox, the "leveling up your Raven" playstyle is not Eve's greatest strength, and that reflects in the abysmal retention rates of people who get stuck in that playstyle.

Highsec has been made too lucrative for the shrinking risk over the years, and this keeps many people from trying other things and ever leaving. Worse, it attracts back other players who may be perfectly happy making a living in lowsec or a wormhole, but rationally recognize it is not worth the significant risk and added cost of protecting yourself in more dangerous space for the same, or just a slightly increased amount of income.

There should be ways to grind quests in highsec, and there should be collaborative PvE there like Incursions, perhaps even more. However, they should not be the optimal way to make ISK in the game, or players will naturally gravitate to them and the rest of the game will stagnate (like the 75%+ of characters now living in highsec now?). CCP is going to have to do something though, as otherwise no one is going to leave highsec to populate CCP Seagull's new player-built-stargate-space and it will be deemed a failure.

IMO achievements are a bad idea

the only people who would even care to look at them are the people who only play for them, and these people will NEVER integrate well with EVE because all theyll want to do is keep grinding for all the achievements, then demand more so they can grind those too, community integration/cooperation be damned. I know I for one would kick someone out of corp immediately if there reason for not showing up to an op (pvp or pve) was "too busy getting achievement X"

besides that, what kind of achievements could they even make? making achievements makes the activity seem like its supposed to be an "endgame" of sorts, or soemthing they SHOULD be doing, when honestly the things noobs should be doing to be encouraged to stick around cant be given a tracked metric ingame, because they are social in nature, and the social aspect should be what is pushed, along with ingame training by vets instead of tutorials.

in short, giving noobs better tools to get integrated into a community is both the best way to retain their subs, aswell as the best way to teach them the game and proper direction

I'm not so sure about achievements either, simply because it doesn't feel very EVE-like. I personally don't care about them in other games either. But they might help get some people to try out activities they might otherwise not want to try or not even be aware of. So I can see why CCP is considering them.