EVE General Discussion

I suspect quite a few. Also, any player who typically is in a corp can have an NPC corp trader alt, or hauler alt, or scout alt. This is a separate issue: Experienced players hiding pilots and activities in NPC corps to avoid war decs.

The issue here is CCP has data that shows that players who never join a player corp tend to leave the game sooner than those players who do join. So the issue is player retention; ways to get those players more involved with the game, so they hang around longer.

I'm sure one way to NOT do this is to degrade their playing experience by making NPC corps worse. We need a way to get them into a situation they will like more than what they have right now.

i'ts my point....

and also the point where the problems begins ... and this is like Squaring the circle.

I think alot of "New Generation" players are not willing to play a game wich need years of being involved to reach High Skills.
Another "problem" is the level of ingame criminality. You and all older players know that.
But newbies wich got scammed by joining a corp, will leave quickly or stay in NPC corp or create a one man corp.
In this case they will probably get wardecced, killed and leave.

It is partly a Generation problem, ..."everything has to go quick"

The biggest problem are the 5/6 months after tutorials.
More corps like Brave Newbies and Eve University should coach the newcomers.
Help to avoid things like that: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=404751&find=unread
and more newcomers will stay. (this is an exemple, he is not really newcomer, i know similar cases and those were newbies)

EVE is hard and brutal, that's wy i love it.

At least now they will only be able to gank you, instead of trying to ... well ganking you.


EDIT: THey might hyperdunk.

I'm in my NPC Corp for a few reasons..

There's lots of good people in some of the NPC Corps.. both mains that never leave, and alts of people elsewhere in the game, that stay there and help out.
I'm immune from Corp Drama. The political side that is.
I'm immune from AWOX'ing.
I'm immune from Wardecs.
And whatever I do, be it PVE or PVP, I'm fully able to do without being in the same corp as the others. PvE stuff is often managed through private channels. And when I PvP it's NPSI, so I just need to be in the fleet.

It costs a little bit if isk thanks to tax, but the benefits more than make up for that loss.


I'm not saying it's for everyone. I'm not against Joining a player corp if it's the right people, but for me, now, remaining NPC is fine for my playstyle.

no, because we told them for a long time about how broken neutral logi was with regards to awoxing and they did nothing about it.

they're just using it as some poor excuse to trivialise high sec recruitment because apparently ****** corps hoovering up new players is better than npc corps. not quite sure how that works out but i'd genuinely rather be in an unwardeccable npc corp than surrounded by largely inactive, disinterested, and obviously clueless retards in a corp that will leave you high and dry when you get inevitably wardecced.

or maybe i'm just a cynic.

I'd love to see this data, for actual proof, and where and what is such "data" based on. As long as CCP isn't releasing numbers and concretical evidence of such behaviour, it's just spewing bullshit.

Not to mention even if you take it at face value it doesn't really indicate how much longer the people that stay in the player corps are staying. 6 months longer? Do they hit that magic 2-3 year mark MMO's shoot for? But from a business standpoint another month of subscription money is another month of subscription money.

Why people quit at the end of the day is more important than them quitting, that is the important information. You can scramble all day making changes to your product based on why you "think" people are doing something, but it is probably not a good idea
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I also doubt getting more people in player corp is some magic bullet.

CCP really needs to look at the game from the ground up and identify ways that they can cultivate a sandbox where we can kick over sandcastles, but our ability to kick them over should be eternally balanced by a comparable risk of having our own obliterated. Over the years of power creep and mechanics I think this is really where the game is out of whack a bit. New people staying in NPC corps is just an example of this.

Current state of the game makes joining a corp in High Sec pretty much suicide because there are not just one or two, but many veteran entities that can smack you around at will, your choices being to undock in your T1 frigs, Cruisers, and Dessies fight back and learn (translation: whelp and die in a ball of fire to T3's, Boosts, Station Games and Neutral Logi and feed your enemies' ego) or just avoid all that by staying in an NPC corp.

Ideally the idea would be to provide incentive to if not leave the NPC corp for a player organization, at least get players interacting so that can become more likely despite the playerbase actively promoting new players to stay in NPC corps. Concord intervention in inter-corp aggression and social corps may help with some of this. It may not.

It is a good thing to see CCP taking an interest in at least trying to balance things.

Addressing the issue by nerfing or removing the only real refuge a new player has in getting their feet under them without being some faceless cog in a megablob alliance or just playing another game and simultaneously giving all the weasels in the henhouse more chickens to eat is certainly not in a new player's interest. It is in the interest of the people exacerbating the problem in the first place.

Does this mean all the people who join eve for 3 days and don't finish the turotial, then just quit never join a corp? Or even look at it. Surprising...

Because really actual newbies don't know all the advantages of a npc corp, or the disadvantages of a player corp. They just don't know, period. (Though it helps that in help channels and NPC corp chat, people say "don't join a player corp unless you really know what you're getting into")

I don't want to do my incursions while being wardeced.

I did not read this at all, but i'll say this... as a 10 year vet i stayed in an npc corp all of 14 days when i joined, once my trial was up and a subed i made my own corp. Been in either my corp or a player corp ever sense.