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Lmao i know right!? Ccp said thats theyre logic. Its stupid

Dude read the csm summit mins and recent devblogs. This is ccps new strategic plan. Its laughable as you point out

I mean that you harp on about independance as though it can only exist in a NPC corp in high sec. Can we get this on the log on screen, please?

There's definitely a slew of reasons to drop out of a player corp, the vast majority to me involve wars:

Wardec's

-New players are rarely prepared with skills for combat.

-Players have a lot to lose and very little sp put into combat ships to do much of anything.

-It takes a larger amount of active corp members to counter a wardec corp if you have new players, and many corps have very few combat willing pilots on at the same time. A bit too many small corps and alliances that are too small to field enough players to do much of anything imo,

-Industry players have industry implants that are useless in pvp and often become massive collateral damage if they try and counter attack a wardec corp that attacks them system.
(24 hour clone jump time traps you as either a combat or indy player for 19-24 hours)

-If you're corp cannot put up a fight you're effectively crippled to do much anything in HS, New players don't have the sp and experience to survive NS and WH space which becomes safer to be in during a war. You can stay out of trade hubs and trade routes but there will always be some that roam.

-As a result of these, greif corps can wardec hundreds of corps with little worry for retaliation.

-With good corp leadership Awoxing is a little issue vs dealing with wars.


Some Ideas I'll throw out:

1) Reducing clone jump times allowing players to hop between indy and combat implant pods more easily.

2) Possibly having a minimum amount of players to create a corp. Small corps are doomed in any wardec and there are hundreds of small 1 -10 character corps that are couldn't even do anything if they tried, with half easily being alts. ie: WoW has a minimum amount of players that must sign a guild charter to start a group and imo it works well.

3) With the friendly fire toggle change and well run corps leadership, Awoxing will be at more of a minimum. Though I feel awoxing and ganking should always be a gameplay function and should not be nerfed completely away.

- With more pvp players greif wardeccing corps will become a much more risky and dangerous thing leading to fewer wardecs.

-Integrating common game wisdom and good practice into the tutorial for new players.
(IE: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Explaining the importance of higher defense fits on indy ships. If a contract seems too good to be true, be wary of accepting it)

You can declare or perceive independence towards and with different entities of course. As a corp you can be independent and not being part of an alliance, as an alliance you can hold your own sov but be independent form any of the big coalitions. It's purely subjective ... if I would join a VOLT corp certainly I have to follow the Provi rules and contribute to the agenda, which is not bad in general, but not what I like and would call independent personally.

Answering the question in the title.

I stayed in the starter NPC corp for quite a while when I started simply because I wasn't interested in socializing. I was very happy with the solo playstyle, and I'm a little anti-social to begin with. I just didn't want my relax and shoot spaceships time to also be chat with Internet peeps time.

I think that's probably it for a lot of people. They want to experience EVE as an essentially single player game, with other players
providing content but not social interaction. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Of course, I was eventually recruited into a player corp after asking exploration questions in Rens local and it was a great experience which led me to eventually form and run a corp of my own. It's a different game for me now that I have friends to fly with. If I had kept playing the solo game, I'm sure I wouldn't still be playing now, almost six years later.

Because I choose to. That's all the justification that's needed.

PC = Player Career
NPC = Not Player Career

I've been gone from EVE for as long as 8 months at a time. I've never came back to find my assets sitting in a station I'm now locked out of.

"Don't ever join a player corp, NPC corp is safer"

Part of an actual conversation i overheard in The Scope while i was between glorious wormhole corps.

Why do I stay in NPC corps? Because I don't enjoy going through a 25 step process just to be invited. You need teamspeak, vent, gaggle, online interview, online interview questions answered, your account information along with your api numbers >>>> ETC ETC ETC.

Like are you F' serious?

When I started playing there were 55+k online every day. Noobs do imo need a hand - Eve is stale and the vast majority of it's high sec mechanics make **** all sense to even seasoned gamers. I took a year away from Eve, and when I came back I witnessed a log on of roughly 20k online and that was before the isboxer restictions (I blame the mechanics of sov null more than anything else for the drop in players online however there are those who just like to pick on people too.) I've come beck to the awesomeness of Brave and NPSI and I totally missed the boat with both of them - I cannot endorse either more as brilliant player made additions to Eve, but even these haven't turned things around. I've seen the result of CCP and CSM actually appearing to work together - not perfectly, but I'm really positive about how they have done so far... I never thought I'd say that. However, I've seen the grossest roleplay I've ever witnessed in any game praising some barely literate septic as god and saviour, witnessed the grossest sexism and racism all in the name of 'content creation.' I watched powerless as a seven year old subscriber (and carebear) had so much grief that they've biomassed - with all their characters - just because of their sex and sexual preference. That harm cannot be repaired, but in an npc corp there are many whom feel safe from that kind of harm despite it often being 'more expensive.'

My oldest friend is in Eve gone because 'content creation and roleplay' - that's going to be the excuse I think by those who caused the effect, not 'I'm a rasist sexist' ****. This is someone who played for seven years, not some noob; someone experienced in the best and worst that Eve can deliver. Regardless of whether you think they were a worthy Eve player or not - they're gone, they're not coming back and you no longer have the opportunity to shoot them, abuse them, ridicule them or anything else. Being in an NPC corp for that person I think would have been a wiser choice, but Eve used to be a community and it doesn't really come across as that anymore to me or them. It's the Team America definitions of dicks, cunts and assholes.

Make someone afraid to leave station - fine, that's Eve; great strategy sometimes. Make someone afraid to leave their RL house, and frankly you deserve what you would get in Eve imo - sudden death. The longer I've been in Eve, this is getting worse with folks roleplaying being evil, serving a prophet or what have you. I'd like it to stop, but i know it won't and that's why I want high sec to die forever - this kind of crap is more pervasive in high. It's pretty much none existent everywhere else I've been frankly.

War decs do the same - they don't encourage combat, they encourage folks to quit the game and play something more engaging in my experience. CCP spends loads of money on advertising and players who aren't shepherds (sheep in other words - too lazy to see the big picture) hammer newer players before they've had time to adapt to the harsh environment that is Eve. Now I don't think that's entirely the fault of the folks wanting to fight obviously, but I do find it odd that anyone would expect anyone who doesn't want to fight or doesn't know how to fight back to engage when running from a lost cause is a huge part of PvP (if you want a decent kill board - but there is always someone better than you.) The first time I was war decced I'd just been given a drake and I didn't want to lose it because it cost so much and bare in mind a retriever used to hold close as a venture does now in ore...and I did end up quitting - I think it was for nine months; nine months of sweet subscription money that CCP missed and nine months you lot had missed killing me with impunity with a tank that would have consisted of a civilian shield booster and that's about it I was that stupid.

After all that I'd agree that NPC corps are a massive problem - I'd like to chose my corp whether NPC or not for a start. For me though the solution is to enroll any players not in a player corp into faction war (sorry FW guys, I know that would cause problems in of itself.) Eve online's biggest problem is getting high sec players engaged with both the community and PvP from the word go imo (in other words, those who have taken the mantle of high sec carebear ARE a lost cause - I agree with 'content creators' who think that,) and i think the only sensible way to change that is to change the base structure of Eve online and get rid of high sec. If you want to solo L4 missions, mine or whatever, hide behind players, not concord. Be a part of Eve not apart from it - for that to happen high sec has to go and I honestly think it is inevitable that it will do - and soon. Concord is going to be busy with a new threat, an NPC threat... I hope.

If what I suspect is true, war decs/npc corp isn't going to make a damn bit of difference - it'll be Eve - massive smiles and tears and it will be glorious. Long have I seen CCP Seagull as Diogenes waving a lamp looking for honesty, but not the cynic - a pragmatist; occam's razor looking for the simple hypothesis to a complex problem regardless of what folk think. Even if I'm wrong I still have faith in her vision. 'Content creators' like the saviour of high sec seem to be worried in the meantime - maybe with good reason.