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why do players stay in npc corps?

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#61 - 2015-02-11 16:11:27 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
So erry single person here can agree that what ccp said "awox fears" are NOT THE REASON either people stay in npc corps or that ceos dont recruit more???

Good job doing ur research before nerfs ccp. I just did ur research for you in 1 day, NO players dont hide in npc corps cuz of awox fears. Nice "necessary for retention and money" card for the nerf reason though.


Again this is the reason behind the awox nerf. Errybody in npc corps are worthless, soon to be quitters in ccps eyes. They have said so over and over. They hate you and think you will quit if u stay in npc corps.


not true, the alts to the player corp players are not worthless ;)

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2015-02-11 16:48:40 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Lupe Meza wrote:
The better question is why don't players join player corps?


This really is the crux of the matter. The problem isn't people staying in NPC corps. It's people not joining player corporations. And honestly, if they're going to stay in highsec, why should they? What possible motivation could they have to suddenly put themselves at exponentially more risk for no real gain in the rewards available?

Personally, I fell that anyone who joins a strictly highsec corporation with other real life people is probably a masochist.


Nah that's not true. The people who sit on hub undocks and try to wardec everyone in local seem to have a good time. I don't understand how, but the there's certainly enough of them.
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#63 - 2015-02-11 16:49:12 UTC
Ask Marmite.

This is like asking, 'Why don't all those school kids go outside for recess? There are only 1,000 neanderthal thugs with machetes surrounding the school.'
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2015-02-11 18:29:14 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

You regularly stroll down and as a matter of routine to an area of null sec, to shoot at players, where they follow the belief of independance to infuriating levels.

I'm always happy to provide content. Pirate

I'm my own NPC alt.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2015-02-11 18:38:15 UTC
rumour has it ...


CAS does stuff





but to answer the question .. because they can
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2015-02-11 18:42:27 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
Lupe Meza wrote:
The better question is why don't players join player corps?


This really is the crux of the matter. The problem isn't people staying in NPC corps. It's people not joining player corporations. And honestly, if they're going to stay in highsec, why should they? What possible motivation could they have to suddenly put themselves at exponentially more risk for no real gain in the rewards available?

Personally, I fell that anyone who joins a strictly highsec corporation with other real life people is probably a masochist.


Nah that's not true. The people who sit on hub undocks and try to wardec everyone in local seem to have a good time. I don't understand how, but the there's certainly enough of them.


Do you think it ever occurs to them to wardec each other?

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2015-02-11 18:44:55 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
Im trying to make ccp money here. They have data that shows people that stay in npc corps quit more often. They said corp ceos dont like recruiting noobs cuz of fear of awox, do you believe this is the main reason?

I believe people stay in npc corps (and therefor quit more often) to evade wars.

Are wars the most dangerous aspect to retention (players staying in npc corps) and therefore should be nerfed to increase player corp levels and retention?

Nerf wars to save the noobs and make people join player corps to increase retention and ccps wallet?

You are wrong. The "main reason" is community and anonymity. Avoiding wardecs in an npc corp is a great plan unless you actually want to excel at the game.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2015-02-11 20:24:13 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Shailagh wrote:
Im trying to make ccp money here. They have data that shows people that stay in npc corps quit more often. They said corp ceos dont like recruiting noobs cuz of fear of awox, do you believe this is the main reason?

I believe people stay in npc corps (and therefor quit more often) to evade wars.

Are wars the most dangerous aspect to retention (players staying in npc corps) and therefore should be nerfed to increase player corp levels and retention?

Nerf wars to save the noobs and make people join player corps to increase retention and ccps wallet?

You are wrong. The "main reason" is community and anonymity. Avoiding wardecs in an npc corp is a great plan unless you actually want to excel at the game.


"Excel at the game" is a mostly subjective statement. And a great many "veteran" and "expert" players use NPC alts to conduct their highsec affairs and circumvent the broken wardec system.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2015-02-11 20:29:23 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
Lupe Meza wrote:
The better question is why don't players join player corps?


This really is the crux of the matter. The problem isn't people staying in NPC corps. It's people not joining player corporations. And honestly, if they're going to stay in highsec, why should they? What possible motivation could they have to suddenly put themselves at exponentially more risk for no real gain in the rewards available?

Personally, I fell that anyone who joins a strictly highsec corporation with other real life people is probably a masochist.


Nah that's not true. The people who sit on hub undocks and try to wardec everyone in local seem to have a good time. I don't understand how, but the there's certainly enough of them.


Do you think it ever occurs to them to wardec each other?


You know highsec mercs have too much money and too little to do when...

https://zkillboard.com/kill/44242461/

And then they go back to blapping lone wartargets, because blingboat brawls on station get expensive real fast. People actually risk losing ships, and if they wanted to do that they wouldn't be on a hub undock all day.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#70 - 2015-02-11 20:47:53 UTC
Players don't stay in NPC corps. They set up one-man corps to avoid NPC tax. CCP kinda haves an issue with it, and there is no easy way out as the roots are very deep and solutions would require more than CCP is able, or willing, to do.
Drazok
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2015-02-11 20:58:54 UTC
1.Wardecs
2.Wardecs
3.Wardecs
4.Wardecs
5.Wardecs
6.Wardecs
7.Wardecs
8. Corp politics

I have played a little NULL sec in my day, mostly care bear/goof around. I was in a new player friendly corp and we got war deced out of empire space, moved in with an alliance in null because it was safer lol.

NCP corps are safe if you just want log on and play with your space ships with out having to worry about some one pooping in your sandbox.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2015-02-11 21:55:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Players don't stay in NPC corps. They set up one-man corps to avoid NPC tax.


Sometimes you do not need to do it deliberately :D

One of my PI alts joined a local losec mining/indy corp years ago.

Since then all 15 other guys (some were alts of the same guy I suspect) gradually quit.

He now has his own one person 15 member corp.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#73 - 2015-02-11 22:48:24 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
So erry single person here can agree that what ccp said "awox fears" are NOT THE REASON either people stay in npc corps or that ceos dont recruit more???

Good job doing ur research before nerfs ccp. I just did ur research for you in 1 day, NO players dont hide in npc corps cuz of awox fears. Nice "necessary for retention and money" card for the nerf reason though.


I didn't know you had access to the quitting players survey?

Golly it looks like you only have the forums, a venue where people with an already higher than normal degree of dedication go.

Put a sock in it.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2015-02-11 23:15:32 UTC
I guess the upside to eliminating NPC corps would be the ability to identify and wardec griefers' alts.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#75 - 2015-02-11 23:32:05 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
Because they are war dodging carebears with an antisocial personality disorders who play a MMO, but don't want to deal with other people.Pirate



Who is more of a carebear? A few week old players who can barely fit ships, or the large group of veteran players clinging to hisec and deccing them?

Pot, I'd like to introduce you to kettle.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#76 - 2015-02-11 23:39:52 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
Because they are war dodging carebears with an antisocial personality disorders who play a MMO, but don't want to deal with other people.Pirate



Who is more of a carebear? A few week old players who can barely fit ships, or the large group of veteran players clinging to hisec and deccing them?

Pot, I'd like to introduce you to kettle.


this wins the internet today

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2015-02-11 23:44:13 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
Because they are war dodging carebears with an antisocial personality disorders who play a MMO, but don't want to deal with other people.Pirate



Who is more of a carebear? A few week old players who can barely fit ships, or the large group of veteran players clinging to hisec and deccing them?

Pot, I'd like to introduce you to kettle.


They only give me one like unfortunately.

It's basically PvE except these rats drop tears, which are worth more than officer mods to a certain breed of player.
Lupe Meza
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2015-02-11 23:50:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lupe Meza
Wrong thread.
Chapmonious Hunter
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2015-02-12 00:16:04 UTC
Move it along people, just another "nerf high sec" thread nothing to see here
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#80 - 2015-02-12 00:16:22 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
So erry single person here can agree that what ccp said "awox fears" are NOT THE REASON either people stay in npc corps or that ceos dont recruit more???

Good job doing ur research before nerfs ccp. I just did ur research for you in 1 day, NO players dont hide in npc corps cuz of awox fears. Nice "necessary for retention and money" card for the nerf reason though.


I didn't know you had access to the quitting players survey?

Golly it looks like you only have the forums, a venue where people with an already higher than normal degree of dedication go.

Put a sock in it.


Ccp has TOLD US many many times that people in npc corps and that people that only pve solo quit way more often than others. That is why they SAID they are making the antiAwox change and the social corp change.

You are ignorant.