EVE General Discussion

Yes, being in RvB will make you enjoy EVE more than sitting in a typical NPC corp.

You're telling us as if you made a new discovery today..

There's another reason players remain in NPC corporations: Faction Warfare. If you want to join (or at least try out) Faction Warfare, your entire corporation has to join. Not only does it take 24 hours to take effect (so you can't get into it immediately), but everyone in the corporation then becomes a valid target in high-sec (whether they wanted to participate or not). In an NPC corporation, you can basically join and leave Faction Warfare instantly without affecting your play style, your friends, etc.

Here are some additional reasons players choose NPC corporations:
• Instant search: No need to find a corporation; you're auto-assigned.
• Instant approval: No lengthy or gruelling interview/API process (which was alluded to above)
• Instant chat: NPC corporations feature thousands of players, so there's always someone online and you can strike up a conversation, ask for help, etc.
• Instant access: No 3rd party requirements such as TeamSpeak to participate (and you generally don't have to worry about 3-hour bullsh*t sessions that frequently delve into NSFW content)
• Instant independence: Do whatever you want - when you want - without anyone's permission.

And here's probably one of the biggest incentives for NPC corporations: The 10% tax only applies to mission bounties and rewards. You don't get taxed on selling any loot/salvage or market transactions, so it's entirely feasible to earn a living without actually paying any tax.

If a person doesn't want 'unwanted interaction', why would they play a game where unwanted interaction is at the heart of it's design? It's like jumping into an ocean then protesting how wet it is.

I just can't say it enough, most people who play EVE have a certain predisposition and mind set that allows them to fit in with the game. Some people who play don't but play out of spite (or because they are those types that 'like a challenge' and believe they can 'change things for the better' not unlike that woman everyone knows that always finds herself with some crappy/stupid/abusive dude who has 'potential' lol). But most people who are not cut out for the game try it, realize they do't like it and quit early, and they are smart to do so.

Themepark games (ie most mmos) are the ones that concentrate on your comfort and want you to be 'safe' from unwanted interaction. That's why I hate most mmos and love EVE, I can take care of myself perfectly fine and don't need nanny state level coddling to exist. So when people come on here and basically advocate for more handholding (in a video game...) I always ask them the same thing: Why not play a game you actually like and leave this game that we actually like to us?

More like they enjoy the scenery and are merely content to lay on the beach.

Yes, let's be perfectly honest: EVE is very visually appealing.

Because it isn't? It's always wanted interaction for at least one side.


Facewalling an SP wall is closer to a masochism than predisposition, and plenty of people have that.


Don't confuse your own goals. Your goal is a steady source of easy targets to grief dec. Which is why you don't like NPC corps.
Because they won't have bothered you in the slightest otherwise - nobody here advocated "handholding", and anyone can tell you in which safespot on your body you should stuff your armor fit drake of an opinion about how they should play.

People play for fun. If eve is fun for them, who are you to tell them to go away and have their fun anywhere else, when you are the main beneficiary of them having fun here? You already have unprecedented capabilities to steal the fun away from them, in fact, there are too many of them right now.

So what if they play like in a theme park game? "Press on this doll where gnome touched you" (c). They pay their subs, they pay your plex, show some appreciation.

Bottom line is, unless all you need is an easy target to grief, NPC corps won't have possibly bothered you. Because all they do is provide protection from just one way of being griefed. And unless you do it, you shouldn't care about it. And they don't decrease retention half as much as people like you do, if you actually care about them.

And here I will repeat the line which got routinely moderatorbiased out: The retention of people who are ready to be content in form of tolerating the process of repeatedly hitting their face against "SP wall" is already peak. The retention of people who do not wish to be bittervet food for their money is what's in trouble. There are only TWO types of content available to a newbie currently - mining and exploration, and both got rekt for the sake of nullsec retention already, so it's no freaking miracle that they couldn't possibly keep a newbie occupied for any reasonable period necessary to become involved. That's why NPSI crap is worthless, because losing ships sucks and newbies from not already-perfect-retention category would quit instantly on this. What's needed is more engaging content. Epic ark is pretty good, but it's short, and it's practically one-of-a-kind. New newbie anoms might be a good idea, but I haven't seen them yet to make sure. But as long as there are only 2 rekt professions remain a regular-game-mid-term or eve-short-term choices for a newbie not wishing to be a bittervet food, the retention is going to suffer. Either we need to unrekt those (not happening to mining, don't know about exploration), or introduce new ones.

Most of the people crying about NPC corps are highsec "pvp'ers" who feel they are being unfairly deprived of easy targets.
Most people who do their shooting in other areas of space against things not shittanked mining barges could care less about NPC corps.

I can't do the math right now on the SP total for all 4 racial cruiser lines up to T3 with all critical skills and weapons including full drones. I suspect it's rather alot. 100M SP should have it covered. 25M will be lacking.
If you pvp in highsec with 15B in assets and don't have a decent selection of advanced/faction cruisers at every hub you are doing it wrong.

they can supply the ore to build one.



they are not dumb, they may be a little broken but not dumb.



i didn't understand the last bit at all

No one is crying here. It's just a discussion and everyone is entitled to put their view, no matter what it is. It's not crying to do so.

I do all my shooting in lowsec and nullsec, yet I'm very interested in this issue for several reasons. Of course, I'm only one person and not necessarily representative of 'most people' I guess, but that's where making judgments about others is always frought with the risk of being wrong. Issues can be discussed by everyone here without resorting to judgments about people who have a different opinion.

But none of that related to the post I responded to anyway.