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why do players stay in npc corps?

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Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2015-02-11 10:19:13 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
Im trying to make ccp money here. They have data that shows people that stay in npc corps quit more often. They said corp ceos dont like recruiting noobs cuz of fear of awox, do you believe this is the main reason?

I believe people stay in npc corps (and therefor quit more often) to evade wars.

Are wars the most dangerous aspect to retention (players staying in npc corps) and therefore should be nerfed to increase player corp levels and retention?

Nerf wars to save the noobs and make people join player corps to increase retention and ccps wallet?


from a CEO's perspective, there was only ever one big issue. Not money, not 'what we do or where', not keeping people happy. With the right care these take care of themselves.

It's Recruitment. Two fold.

1) Finding enough people to recruit. Expeirenced or not was never an issue (Though it may be for some).
2) Fnding those that would stay in corp and be active within the corp.

Those two things are the hardest things in EVE imo. Awoxing can be dealt with quite easily (aside from the HC long term sleepers etc). Recruiting noobs is for HIgh Sec corps anyway (mostly) and awxoing shouldn't be the biggest concern. From a CEO perspective you can tell if a noob is going to fit in within a few days (ideally within a few minutes of the interview in all honesty). The real probelm is that the connection between noobs and corps from the noobs point of view just isnt' there. Plus, 'everyone wants to be in their own corp and weild all the power' is the single biggest issue. So many people join a corp, then want to start their own so they can playwith the corp logo, assign roles, and be all powerful. Essentially, too many corps, too few people, and far too many chiefs and not enough indians. (hmm, that spelling of Indians looks wrong, but wahetever)

"Lykouleon wrote:

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Sagrima Ellecon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-02-11 10:27:24 UTC
Quote:
[...]within a few minutes of the interview in all honesty


This is another reason. I am not applying for a job here. I want to play a game. I have no need, interest or time for interviews...
As I understand the corp roles, you can define very clearly what a new corp member can do. So just give him the absolut minimum access until you are sure of him.

This is definitely a show stopper for people like me.
Ed MarKeen
East Domain Inc.
#43 - 2015-02-11 10:28:02 UTC
This seems one of the reasons:

http://i.imgur.com/m6p6g5o.png
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2015-02-11 10:32:35 UTC
Sagrima Ellecon wrote:
Quote:
[...]within a few minutes of the interview in all honesty


This is another reason. I am not applying for a job here. I want to play a game. I have no need, interest or time for interviews...
As I understand the corp roles, you can define very clearly what a new corp member can do. So just give him the absolut minimum access until you are sure of him.

This is definitely a show stopper for people like me.



lol. interview .... ok, that's too formal a word ... it's a chat, to see if you're on the same kind of wave length, nothing more. ;-)

You need people who will get along.

"Lykouleon wrote:

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Jasmine Deer
Perkone
Caldari State
#45 - 2015-02-11 11:27:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jasmine Deer
Thorav wrote:
I have no desire to be small part of a big system. Like f--k, if i I wanted to be a tiny cog in a giant machine of thousands of people, I'd go and work for a financial firm in a cubicle from 9-5.


Sort of related to the above is that some of us play Eve to relax.

After a long day putting up with managers, bosses, foremen and assorted lunatics in positions of power in the workplace the last thing we need is to be bossed around in a computer game and pay for the privilege.

Reminds me why I was so long out of a player corp. One week it was a mandatory CTA, next week we had to stay docked unless we were in fleet. Don't fly unless you have a scout, fly this fit, please explain why you lost your ship (looks bad on our killboard), get on Teamspeak NOW !, etc

Having said that there are plenty of corps that cater to casual players and newly formed corps that are just happy to have recruits and make no demands.
Not that hard to find if you look, and if you make a mistake you can always leave.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#46 - 2015-02-11 11:41:39 UTC
Nalia White wrote:
well i think it's normal that so many players will leave eve. they come for the space theme but will leave once they get to know the harsh mechanics of the game... if you now try to keep those players in you will have to change eve and that's not good in my book... the last bastion of a true game!

it seems like ccp is currently trying to create a highsec in which these players can coexist, but that is a dangerous endevour... it can be a chance though... maybe after some time some of those players that would have left eve earlier will taste blood and become like the rest of the bittervets :)

edit: and don't forget that many alts will be in npc corps because players will try to disconnect them from their main.


but these players you speak of are already in the game. in an NPC corp. this HIGH sec you speak of already exists.
so CCP is thinking about letting them name themselves and have a channel related to it.

where's the problem?


Kousaka Otsu Shigure
#47 - 2015-02-11 11:46:53 UTC
Renaming the title to "Why do we place alts in npc corps?"..

I actually enumerated a list of various activities, and realizing that the theme was generally the same, i'll TLDR:

To enjoy the anonymity/wardec-free perks of being in the NPC corp. Note that everyone can enjoy(abuse) this, not just carebears/new players/etc.

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Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2015-02-11 12:21:00 UTC
Jasmine Deer wrote:
Thorav wrote:
I have no desire to be small part of a big system. Like f--k, if i I wanted to be a tiny cog in a giant machine of thousands of people, I'd go and work for a financial firm in a cubicle from 9-5.


Sort of related to the above is that some of us play Eve to relax.

After a long day putting up with managers, bosses, foremen and assorted lunatics in positions of power in the workplace the last thing we need is to be bossed around in a computer game and pay for the privilege.

Reminds me why I was so long out of a player corp. One week it was a mandatory CTA, next week we had to stay docked unless we were in fleet. Don't fly unless you have a scout, fly this fit, please explain why you lost your ship (looks bad on our killboard), get on Teamspeak NOW !, etc

Having said that there are plenty of corps that cater to casual players and newly formed corps that are just happy to have recruits and make no demands.
Not that hard to find if you look, and if you make a mistake you can always leave.


this ... there are different corps that have different demands on their mebers for different reasons.

0.0 is serious stuff, and you need to be organised if you're going to be successfull. That means, CTA, discipline, explusion if non compliant. (though even within these parameters there can still be fun, friendship and flexibility with good corps).

HIgh and lo sec corps have the freedom to be either totally llberal in demands (many have none) or act as strcit as if they were in 0.0. And here, the choice is yours. :)

"Lykouleon wrote:

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Merouk Baas
#49 - 2015-02-11 13:01:53 UTC
The other side of the "it's too much like work" debate is that CCP only provides the sandbox and it's that poor CEO's job to fill your evenings with all the fun that you can handle, and he too has to pay for the privilege. So maybe he feels he has the right to set some rules and call some CTA's.

There are too many junk corps and too few good ones, and it's difficult for players to find good corps that match their play style, and it's difficult for corp recruiters to find players who will fit with the corp.
Cynthia Sinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2015-02-11 13:14:22 UTC
I stay in a NPC corp because The Scope is best Scope.
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2015-02-11 13:24:05 UTC
Cynthia Sinn wrote:
I stay in a NPC corp because The Scope is best Scope.



Feels like I'm at work, reveiwing an IT project. Ugh ... hate 'scope; ... whats' in scope, what's out fo scope ... just say what you're going to do ... such a pathetic appendix to a project.

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#52 - 2015-02-11 14:13:04 UTC
So erry single person here can agree that what ccp said "awox fears" are NOT THE REASON either people stay in npc corps or that ceos dont recruit more???

Good job doing ur research before nerfs ccp. I just did ur research for you in 1 day, NO players dont hide in npc corps cuz of awox fears. Nice "necessary for retention and money" card for the nerf reason though.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#53 - 2015-02-11 14:29:00 UTC
Because they are war dodging carebears with an antisocial personality disorders who play a MMO, but don't want to deal with other people.Pirate

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2015-02-11 14:40:46 UTC
Going by this thread, I'd say that because 50% of them have really serious misconceptions about what being in a player corp is like Shocked

So, lack of good education.
Shin Jan
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2015-02-11 14:45:36 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
Because they are war dodging carebears with an antisocial personality disorders who play a MMO, but don't want to deal with other people.Pirate


1. I don't want to be ordered around
2. I don't want to help
3. I have RL friends, don't need some online.
4. I don't want to be taxed
5. I don't want to hear your ugly voice through TS
6. I only interact with ppl when I PVP, ransom or do business.
7. I don't need anything else, your corp is only worth investing my time if I can go up to director and steal your heritage
Jenshae Chiroptera
#56 - 2015-02-11 14:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Lan Wang wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
I think the reasons are:
1. War evasion.
2. Crappy corps for players to join.
3. Solo player.


4. Null Sec using alts to farm ISK because Incursions pay more than anything they can do in null.
5. Made an alt and just forgot it there.
6. Anonymous scouts.
7. Spreading EVE political agendas to quite a few players. >.>

I do think that veterans need a push out of the nest rather than an enticement.


8. mercs using npc corps to protect neutral logi
9. gankers using npc corps to protect the bumping machariels
10. people dont like the fact they have to speak on ts and submit api's to every corp they try and join (Trust no one?) so they just stay solo
+10
Tipa Riot wrote:
This becomes an unexpectedly good discussion ...

The reasons why I'm staying in an NPC corp were already named by others. The main point for me is ... independence ... I want to be free to decide anytime, what, where, when, and with whom I do stuff in the game. I know if I would join a player corp it would suck me into obligations and responsibility - which is not bad and I won't exclude it for the future - but atm I don't have the time and patience for that.
You regularly stroll down and as a matter of routine to an area of null sec, to shoot at players, where they follow the belief of independance to infuriating levels.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2015-02-11 14:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
Lupe Meza wrote:
The better question is why don't players join player corps?


This really is the crux of the matter. The problem isn't people staying in NPC corps. It's people not joining player corporations. And honestly, if they're going to stay in highsec, why should they? What possible motivation could they have to suddenly put themselves at exponentially more risk for no real gain in the rewards available?

Personally, I fell that anyone who joins a strictly highsec corporation with other real life people is probably a masochist.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#58 - 2015-02-11 15:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
being in a player corp aint as bad as everyone makes out, yeah you submit api keys but a good corp builds tools for you to use with your api and awoxing is a thing so they are just looking out for the rest of the corps interests.

doctrines are there for a strategic point (people actually research the best fits for any situation) being part of a team and going for big and small fights is great fun and actually being a valued part of a fleet (logi/ewar/tackle/links/scouts etc) is rewarding.

most corps wont force you to do things you don't want to (if you want to make money then thats fine and have any rl issues thats also fine CEO's aint usually cta monsters that expect you to be online when they want you to) and kitchen sink fleets are fun and are a thing in most corps too.

A slight different question, why join a highsec player corp if you can have the protection and freedom of a player low/null corp?

I do alot of solo stuff in lowsec, do missions when i want (null missions are profitable), rat when i want and can also pvp when i want and have the benefit of some nice fleet action, i dont see much benefit to sitting in highsec doing missions in a npc corp with high taxes when you can move out and make more money and have more fun, but everyone is entitled to play how they want so i respect that

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2015-02-11 15:59:44 UTC
Shin Jan wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
Because they are war dodging carebears with an antisocial personality disorders who play a MMO, but don't want to deal with other people.Pirate


1. I don't want to be ordered around
2. I don't want to help
3. I have RL friends, don't need some online.
4. I don't want to be taxed
5. I don't want to hear your ugly voice through TS
6. I only interact with ppl when I PVP, ransom or do business.
7. I don't need anything else, your corp is only worth investing my time if I can go up to director and steal your heritage



You're practically by definition who EVE is not designed for ... lol

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#60 - 2015-02-11 16:06:44 UTC
Kaelynne Rose wrote:
So erry single person here can agree that what ccp said "awox fears" are NOT THE REASON either people stay in npc corps or that ceos dont recruit more???

Good job doing ur research before nerfs ccp. I just did ur research for you in 1 day, NO players dont hide in npc corps cuz of awox fears. Nice "necessary for retention and money" card for the nerf reason though.


Again this is the reason behind the awox nerf. Errybody in npc corps are worthless, soon to be quitters in ccps eyes. They have said so over and over. They hate you and think you will quit if u stay in npc corps.